Could Sonny Liston have made it undefeated vs Louis title defenses?

Nope, he was not. Langford was younger than Liston and was still ducked by Dempsey as a very dangerous fighter so not, Liston was not better than Langford if we compare 1919 Langford and 1969 Liston.

Dillon was great LHW, and Langford was great HW You compared Liston losing against Martin with Dempsey losing against Meehan, but Meehan was a better fighter when he beat Dempsey than Martin beat Liston, because Meehan stopped LHW and HW champ, while Martin did not beat anybody until Liston's fight.

 

You were clearly referring to specific fighters. So who are they?

 

Ok,perhaps Martin didn't beat any LHW champ because well,he was a heavyweight !
Bonavena was an extremely formidable heavyweight.He gave Ali a damned good fight.

 

Nope, he was A lhw and he started as a LHW, so another lie spread by Liston fans.

Not true, he gave a problem to ring rusty Ali, who was fighting first time after 2 2-year layoff, plus Bonavena was nothing, he was outboxed by LHW small Jimmy Ellis, by past prime 36-year-old Patterson, and even by Ron Lyle, a slugger with a lack of skills.

 

Ok, how about outstanding fighters like Harry Wills, Sam McVea,or Joe Choynski.Fighters whose names
are still known today.
Now how about you naming any outstanding heavyweight that boxing fans never have heard of ?

 

I get the sense you're focusing on heavyweight to try and emphasize the combo fighters I'm going to name. Or is that me reading into it a bit?

 

So how long did Martin campaign in the LHW division before he moved onto the heavies ?
The same ' rusty ' Ali who defeated Jerry Quarry !

 

Ok, yes I am indeed focusing on the heavyweights.My point is that Dillon lost or drew with
several guys,who if they were outstanding , would be known to any boxing fan with a reasonable
knowledge of the early 20th century heavyweight-division.
After all it is the heavyweights that we're talking about.

 

Combo fighters fought at both LHW and HW. Thats where the "combo" part comes from.

 

How about the guys that beat Langford around that time ? Are you seriously saying that because they beat Langford they would also beat Dempsey ?
Fighters are often very complimentary to their peers.If Dempsey had to defend his title against Langford he would have done.
Have no doubts about that.
Martin defeated two very fine contenders in Thad Spencer and Karl Mildenberger.

 

Fine.So go ahead and name any outstanding fighters who achieved significant success in the heavyweight division irrespective of whether they were LHW or HW,that a fairly well informed boxing fan should be familiar with.

 

He was, if he was the same size as Holyfield, a CW, then maybe he could really become an hw, BUT since he was an LHW, he was an LHW no matter how much he bulked up to fight at HW.
He started as a LHW and was never a full-sized heavyweight; he was even smaller than Patterson, also a CW and HW.
So Martin was never a real HW.

Jerry Quarry was easy to beat even Chuvalo beat him and he went life and death with past prime Patterson, and Ali destroyed him in 3 rounds, even Ali admitted that he was so rusty and out of shape that if he didnt stopped Quarry he would run out of tank and lose just because stamina problems because 2 years layoff.

 

Dempsey said himself he ducked Langford because he felt that Langford would beat him, I guess you know better than Dempsey?

Not true, Dempsey ducked black fighters on purpose.

But he was outboxed by the slugger with no skills, Bonavena, and LHW wannabe HW contender Jimmy Ellis.

 

Dillon took Weinarts 0 then beat him in a HW "LHW title" fight for the rematch.

We've got Miske, Frank Moran, Andre Anderson, Gunboat Smith, Tom McCarthy, Levinsky, Jack Twin Sullivan, Fireman Jim Flynn, Porky Dan Flynn, Tom Cowler and Bob Devere. Frank Farmer was a regional HW champ.

Quite a few of these guys he beat twice.

Very nice HW resume for someone who spent the majority of their career at LHW and MW.

 

Well come on mate,just how good were the likes of Porky Dan Flynn,Tom Cowler,Frank Farmer and
Bob Devere ? I'm not disrespecting these guys.Any man who steps into the ring is to be commended.
But just how good were these guys ?
As for Battling Levinsky,yes he was a fine fighter but of course he a light-heavyweight.
Frank Moran and Gunboay Smith ? Were they any better than,for instance Karl Mildenberger or
Thad Spencer ?
Again,I'm not disrespecting Dillon but he lost to Harry Greb twice.