Would anyone pick Wilder to beat Liston??

Its 5 pounds. Berlanga in the ring weighed 193 lbs against Canelo lmao. This is hardly the flex you think it is.

I don't know how this redeems the fact that Marshall was a journeyman, 170-180 lbs and broke Liston's jaw.

He knocked down Liston as well no? And how did such a small guy got up 7 times if Liston was such a devastating force of nature? People get carried out when Deontay hits them.

Beating him and breaking his jaw the first time, knocking him down, what part of this sounds easy for you?

Actually a fair point.

You do realize that most of these people were just barely over 200 lbs and lighter than Liston himself right? Liston's average opponent weight is like 198 lbs.

But let's really get down to this. He got wiped out by Ali so we can ignore those matches. He went to decision with Howlett, DeLeon and Welch, so 22 stoppages out of 25 fights (without Ali) where Liston's opponents were mostly in the 200-210 lbs range, where he outweighed his opponents for the most part. Remove Wepner, King and Besmanoff as they were RTD'd and we are left with 19 T/KOs out of 25 fights, 76%. Impressive.

Now let's move onto Wilder. All his career were against 200+ lbs men so I'll just remove all his losses like I did for Liston with Ali. This gives us 42 wins by stoppage in 43 wins in total. Let's remove RTDs like we did for Liston. We are left with 39 T/KO wins in 43 wins. 90% stoppage rate against a 240-250 lbs opposition on average where Wilder was out-weighed by about 20-30 lbs on average.

What do you think about it now?

Does it even matter?

I thankfully never got banned so far for bringing up different views.

 

Ortiz, Arreola and Breazeale for sure, most likely a large part of Wilder's journeyman victims as they would all be heavier than him more than DeLeon was when they went to a decision.

 

Marshall was the 7th ranked lhvy when he fought Liston.he did NOT knock Liston down ,that is a myth,he won a split decision.Try as you may you can't spin this any other way than Liston dominated him in their next 2 fights.

Name an heavyweight champion before Liston whose opponents had an average weight of 198lbs?
You are trying to penalize him for his weight? Do you do that with Ali? Retirements are inside the distance wins.
Apart from Ortiz 39 and 40 years old Wilder stopped a lot of overweight,and apart from Stiverne who was as fat as a pig ,unranked sausages. Wilder was a very poor champ and his competition was dire.
Liston cleaned out the division BEFORE he got his chance at the title. Who did he miss, either as a challenger or a champion?

As challenger or champion,Wilder,missed.

Pulev
Wlad
Povetkin
Whyte
Joyce
Chagaev
Solis
Adamek
Joshua
Perez
Glazkov
Jennings
Haye
Kownacki
Hunter
Kabayel
Miller
Rivas
Anderson
Usyk
Sanchez
All ranked when he was.
When he did step up to the plate and fight ranked men .
Fury
Zhang
Parker
He got stuffed!

 

Congratulations on quoting Sonny's defeat to Marty Marshall in what was only Liston's eighth professional fight.The only issues Marshall gave Liston was constantly running away from him in all of their fights.Tell you what -- why don't you randomly pick an opponent from Liston's
record and see how many were 180 lbs and stood only 5' 10 '' ?
So you're making a direct comparison of Ali's fight against Wepner with the Liston slaughter of Chuck.I'm not a betting man but I would wager a very large sum of money that Wepner
would have regarded fighting Ali as a holiday compared to fighting Liston.
So you like to make comparisons ? How about comparing Ali's fights with Floyd Patterson to Patterson's fights with Liston ? Feel free to tell me who was the most emphatic winner.

 

BEAST mode! The thing that stands out is how nimble he is in the opening seconds. Oh, and how precise his punching is.

 

I wouldn't pick Wilder over any legit heavyweight champion.

 

Tommy Burns?

 

Ok now this is a reach.

 

My word you're blowing enough hot-air to heat up New York.A broken jaw is a broken jaw no matter who the opponent is.Liston showed commendable courage and determination in what
was only his 8th fight.Why on earth are you referring to Johnson vs
Ketchel ? Did Ketchel break Johnson's jaw ? Why bring this up ?
As for the myth that Liston quit against Ali there have been several threads detailing the extreme impairment of Liston's shoulders before the Ali fight.
Liston showed courage even stepping into the ring with his ongoing shoulder problems.Liston did ' find an opening ' when he was taking several punches from Cleveland Williams but no doubt in your obsessive campaign to discredit the heavyweights of the 1960s and 1970s you will dismiss Williams as feather-fisted.

 

I paid a lot of money to watch Fury- Wilder Can one of you gentlemen or ladies, there are a few on this site, please explain to me how these two combatants showed the evolution if not revolution of the heavyweight division. Thank you in advance.

 

I share your pain friend.

 

Yeah imagine the 7th ranked LHW fighting Wilder lmao.

Im talking about the rematch.

Got knocked down in the rematch and couldn't KO him in the 3rd because his feet are slow.

How is this relevant?

In certain situations yeah.

They have the same amount of RTD wins so this doesn't change anything.

Them being unranked changes nothing about this conversation, regardless of their skill level these were all 6'3+ 240+ lbs men that are undoubtedly a lot tougher than the small fellas Liston was KO'ing and sometimes failing to KO.

I honestly don't even understand what you are trying argue anymore. Why are you telling me all this? What are we discussing here? No one denies Liston having a better resume than Wilder. None of this relates to our topic, which is punching power. We can also debate about why Wilder flatlines Liston and even that wouldn't have much to do with this.

 

How do you explain lil Marty knocking him down in the rematch? Imagine a 170-180 lbs dude knocking Wilder down, we'd never hear the end of it.

I literally just did and he turned out to be 191 lbs. Lighter than Berlanga against Canelo lmao.

Your last two points have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

 

Wilder did the minimum deeper into his reign. In the first Stiverne fight and his earlier defenses, he let his hands go a lot more.

 

Stiverne was a lot like Liston. Stumpier reach and crappier work rate, but also 240 and used to fighting full sized heavyweights.