¿Who was physically stronger between George Foreman and Jack Johnson?

This is another silly thread hijacked by J92 who likes to play disrupter. That said , if you actually take the time to watch Johnson vs Jeffries , Johnson was pretty skilled at how to apply leverage to maximize his physical gifts. While he was a very strong guy I'll say Foreman was naturally stronger but likely less trained in how to apply it outside of roughhousing and street fighting ... We've seen time and again in the old ABC superstar competitions that knowing how to apply strength far supersedes raw strength ..

 

Hammer meet nail!!!!!!!

 

A female blue belt in ji jitsu can fold untrained men her size or slightly above I’ve seen this myself… - I doubt Johnson was a “good wrestler” too… but you don’t need to be to when you’re a strong guy who isn’t that much smaller then your opponent who has no clue what they’re doing and isn’t trained for the environment.

 

How did I hijack it? Go for it, I kept it within a reasonable discussion, wrestling is all we’ve got here and Johnson > Foreman otherwise it’s strongman / media stunts and hypothetical bench numbers? Etc or do we just look at them like bodybuilders and guesstimate? As it pertains to boxing Johnson is functionally stronger if they clinch or are offered a shot at grappling.

 

Bakole is obviously a very big and strong guy, but he's also fat as hell. No professional boxer has any business weighing 300 lbs, especially with his chunky physique.

I'm not suggesting 70's Foreman could shove him around, but it's anyone's guess how heavy or strong an in shape Bakole would be since he's so undisciplined and out of shape. He's well on his way to becoming this era's Samuel Peter.

90's Foreman was almost certainly stronger than Bakole tho. Much more defined muscle and an absolute powerhouse when it comes to raw strength and functional strength in the ring. Holyfield couldn't believe how strong he was compared to his much younger opponents.

 

He was more 260-280 lbs in his better performances.

I mean yeah but the way he is, it's quite clear that he would bully young Foreman. Not saying he beats Foreman but just purely-physically speaking.

I'm not sure honestly, 90s Foreman out-weighed everyone he fought. Like he had 50 lbs on Holyfield. Jared Anderson was exactly as big as Foreman at 6'4 and 250+ lbs while also being younger and in better shape, and Bakole treated him like Foreman treated Frazier. Just no-selling everything and running over him like a truck.

 

That isn't a big enough size difference to say that he was definitely stronger though, especially when you are talking about a man who trained for strength.

 

A 213 pound Michael Hunter beat up and stopped Bakole.

 

The person above is stating Bakole is stronger based on being heavier that is not a good gauge of strength. For example a 220 pound Usyk was easily able to push of Fury in the clinches who outweighs him by 50 pounds.

1. Bakole is incredibly overweight as I said size is not always a gauge of functional strength.

2. Foreman has impressive feats of strength from a young age.

I've not seen any evidence of Bakole's apparent amazing strength. He got beat up and bullied by Michael Hunter and his only real notable performance is beating a prospect in Jared Anderson.

 

Usyk trains MMA, that's why he can handle people bigger than him in the clinch. Fury IS stronger than him, as was AJ.

It usually is, and being overweight is a problem for speed and cardio, its not an issue for strength and power.

Yeah against people significantly smaller than him and hilariously smaller than Bakole.

Hunter didn't "bully" him, he boxed his head off. And you classify Anderson as a mere prospect but that guy was 6'4, 250 lbs and he literally looked like a kid strength-wise against Bakole. Got bullied the same way Frazier did agaisnt Foreman.

 

I met Jared Anderson. In fact, my brother used to spar with him.

He's not as big or as strong as Foreman. Height and weight don't tell the whole story.

 

If Foreman was in the modern era he would be 230+ he had to cut down from 235 as its different era and fighters trained more for conditioning as fights were 15 rounds.

Being overweight and beating 1 notable opponent in Anderson who was a prospect don't seem like a strong argument to me.

 

So why did you choose to minimize the difference in their size in your post ? 218 to 192 is about 12% body weight difference say a middleweight to a light heavyweight or a welter to a mid-super middleweight ... I'd say the lager weight matters ..

Where is all this now taken as gospel of Johnson training for strength coming from ? I'm a serious Johnson fan and have read a ton on the man and never read any of this ... I see photos when he was in his physical prime , say for Burns he was a ripped 192, thin legs but an well muscled guy ... the footage of him is interesting and he was no doubt strong but what else am I missing ?

The heavyweight I've read the most that incorporated wrestling into his training other than Sullivan (when he actually trained) was Dempsey who wrestled all the time in his training camps ..

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I'm 6'1 200 pounds I do lift weights and go to gym regularly I wouldn't say I'm overly strong but definitely stronger than the average guy.

I remember I tried some friendly MMA sparring with my friend he's got alot more experience than me although he's about the same size as me give or take.

I remember in the clinch I felt he was stronger than me and once he pinned me to the mat I felt helpless honestly and I couldn't move.

So even though I've got reasonable strength in lifting weights it didn't help me much there because he's got better technique and knows how to use his bodyweight better than I do.

 

Idk man, scales don't lie. When did Foreman ever overpower a guy that big? He wasn't even at that size himself when he wasn't obese and though prime Foreman was in better shape he was about 30 lbs lighter than Jared. I think you people need to stop overcomplicating it so much.