¿Who was physically stronger between George Foreman and Jack Johnson?

Yeah if there is like a 10 lbs gap it doesn't mean much. 60 lbs is a whole different ball game. What did Foreman even do strength-wise that impresses you so much? Pushing around a fat Frazier? Holyfield when he had a 50 lbs weight advantage? If weight doesn't determine how strong a fighter is what does? Frazier can't even lift 170 lbs while Shane Mosley can reportedly bench 300 lbs. Can Shane overpower Frazier in the ring? You don't need to put Foreman on such a pedestal, he was big and strong for his time, now there are bigger and stronger ones, that's just how it goes.

 

I don't put Foreman on a pedestal I just don't agree with your assessment.

 

When somebody is arguing that one fighter is simply too big for another, sometimes strategic minimization is a reasonable exercise.

Make them ask how much their weight advantage is really worth.

Would you expect Johnson to prepare for a fight with Foreman, more like he prepared for a fight with Burns, or more like he prepared for a fight with Jeffries?

If Forman had to fight Johnson in his prime, wouldn't he prepare for a long night?

All of this is moot, because unless we are comparing world level power lifters, size is not going to determine who is stronger.

 

Johnson used strong man exhibitions to make money all over the world.

Let us assume that he was either an exceptionally strong man, or a very good showman.

 

Did Foreman come visit you guys’s gym and they had a bench off or something? - I don’t think eye balling a guy is enough to say “Oh someone about 40lbs lighter (muscle) on worse PED’s is stronger” I don’t understand is there more to the story?

 

Hey Jan can you name the sorts of exhibitions he did? I don’t remember them, I know he did static holds and weighted neck bridges etc but what else? Do you know? obviously not every trick would’ve made it to the pages he probably did basically everything any other strongman did and his stand outs got wrote about.

 

Most of the strongman shows from that time were a mix of both, there were "tricks" to some of the things they did. You still had to be strong to do them no doubt, but there were "secrets."

 

We already know with certainty that he was a very good showman.

But the real question is, what were the lifts and poundages he was doing? That's what determines how strong a guy is; not the label "strongman."

 

Right and he followed the man sawing the woman in half ... can you be serious ... was this when he was in exile trying to survive sin his mid to late thirties in Europe before turning himself in or was this at the Flea circus in Times Square .. can we be serious please ? What's next , he placed in the 1916 and 1920 Olympics in weight lifting ?

 

Bench press requires specific technique also and it isn’t the be all end all indicator of overall strength.

It’s exactly what the label says - you can bench press X lbs - but, what else can you do and how long can you do it for? - there is also muscle stamina to consider.

Body weight? Earlier I linked a guy that is allegedly about 178 lbs yet he can bench, deadlift etc. obscene amounts of weights - even displaying his overall strength in less conventional ways - part of his online schtick is carrying around a 32 kg (70 lbs) mop as part of his prank.

He carries the mop around like it’s nothing and then hands it to an unsuspecting gym goer who is then shocked by its weight.

I’m not saying his routine it isn’t part staged in terms of other’s reactions but the dude’s strength is very real without him being bulky or overly heavy.

 

In that first clip of Johnson wrestling notice he drops a right hand on his incoming opponent at the very start.

A cheeky, not so legal move by Lil Arthur or indicative that it was a legit hybrid match with punches allowed?

 

I'm not overcomplicating anything.

A guy can weigh 300 lbs and be weaker than a 10th grader if he's out of shape. A guy can be lean weighing 200 lbs and be as strong as an ox.

Which is why I said the scale doesn't tell you everything. It's not that simple. Just putting on weight doesn't make someone strong lol, especially if they're a fatso like Bakole (hey that rhymes). Have you ever grappled a day in your life? I am speaking from experience.

 

My 188 pound brother went toe to toe with Jared Anderson and held his own in clinching and shoving.

I'm not saying Jared is weak, but I can't imagine that happening to Foreman when we've seen him handling strong guys like Chuvalo and Norton.

 

Brother you are talking as if Bakole is morbidly obese and needs walking assistance lmao. He is fat but a lot of it is very visibly functional when you see him fight, he’s got a lot of muscle mass hidden in there. Like I dont know what more I need to tell you, this guy can throw around 250+ lbs people that are ACTUALLY IN-SHAPE AND MUSCULAR (since you care for it so much) while Foreman does the same to people that aren’t even 220 lbs. What even is your argument for Foreman being stronger? So far all you’ve told me is that Bakole is fat. Cool, even with that fat he did a lot of things strength-wise that Foreman never did, while Im pretty sure Norton and Chuvalo would get literally thrown off the ring if they tried to stand with Bakole.

And I assure you Anderson would wipe your brother off of the planet if it was an actual boxing match, no one’s gonna do that in a casual sparring, Foreman himself wouldn’t do that either.

 

Strong doubt your 188lbs brother was holding his own strength wise with Jared Anderson all PED induced 250lbs of him… but if so… did your brother by chance have an opportunity to spar with Foreman to compare? Otherwise it seems like an irrelevant “flex” my guy.