¿Who was physically stronger between George Foreman and Jack Johnson?

We can try to dig up some primary sources if you want.

It must be noted that the evidence for Foreman's physical strength seems to come from similar showmanship.

The only difference is that they are a bit more recent.

 

As I said the cross trainer, the evidence for Foreman's strength seems to come from similar acts of showmanship.

 

Enough with the double talk ... when did Foreman "perform" strong man acts in contests in front of live audiences as you claim Johnson did ? You just make stuff up and then shift ... Foreman's strength is documented in his physically overpowering performances in the ring and first hand testaments from big, strong heavyweights .who were overpowered by him ... Frazier, Norton, Chuvalo,Lyle, LeDoux, Cooper, Cooney, Rodriguez, Holyfield, Coetzer, Savarese, Schultz, Grimsley, Morrison, Briggs ... everyone one of these guy were big or very strong or both and every one was documented acknowledging Foreman's applicable in the ring strength ... all this aside , I am a huge fan of Johnson in and out of the ring and have tried my best to study his carer ... I actually feel even given the difference in the sport in the sixty some odd years between their careers Johnson matches ups very well to George H2H ..

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Yo, there like dozens of dudes said Golovkin was ridiculously strong in gym sparring and he never made it past 168 in the real ring though.

 

I would be greatly obliged if you could provide cites for some of these guys. I know of the accolades from the "Best I Faced" series Ring had, but some of the others complimenting Foreman's strength I haven't seen cites for.

 

Yes, I think primary sources would be a good idea re: Johnson.

 

The cow thing was a stunt, but he also seems to push people around in the ring.

Also, if we are talking old, weight trained 90s Foreman, I can see him on film (e.g.) pulling a car, which is something I can go to strongman competitors and ask how hard it is. Or just put my own car in neutral and push it.

 

I quite literally said Bakole is probably stronger than 70’s Foreman.

All I said was that since Bakole is so fat, it's a flawed argument to assume he's super strong simply because of his weight. That was your argument, you kept going on and on about lbs. Being heavy doesn't automatically mean you're stronger than someone else. Not sure why you're not understanding this.

 

You were in Anderson's camp and you know for a fact he took PEDs?

 

I have never claimed that Forman performed in strong man exhibitions.

My point is that he engaged in media stunts, such as lifting the occasional cow, and this is largely where the evidence for his strength comes from.

Is that really any better than the evidence for Johnson's strength?

Now if we are talking about strength demonstrated in teh ring, then Johnson manhandled Jeffries, a man whose feats of strength are arguably more reliably documented than either Johnson or Foreman's.

The bottom line is that any opinion on which man was stronger, could be little more than an educated guess.

 

I know female ultra runners who tow a car to strengthen their legs.

 

It is something that we could probably take a deeper dive on.

We have never done it previously, because nobody really cared.

For contrast a lot of effort has gone into documenting Jeffries feats of strength, and we have ended up proving some, and disproving others.

 

No but my brother was

 

Then what are we even arguing here?

Hate to break it to you but between two combat athletes that are functional in their weight the heavier one is stronger. It's literally basic physics. Im dying to know what you think determines who is the stronger of the two in the ring.

 

Foreman was the stronger heavyweight but Johnson the far greater fighter.