Would anyone pick Wilder to beat Liston??

If Ali trained for the Wepner fight and came into the ring in the same condition as his previous fight the fight would have lasted as long as Ali wanted it to and not a moment more.

 

Not I. Anything can happen in the ring, but no. Nel. Nyet.

 

Wilder is the most overhyped top contender in my lifetime. Skilless aside from his right hand. Listons jab would knock Wilder down. Liston scores a ten count KO in 2-3 rounds.

 

I’m not understanding your line of thinking/questioning you agree there are guys Patterson size at 168lbs so the answer is just the hard punchers at 168lbs… you have to let go of the label “super middleweight” and realise these guys would fight at 175lbs-HW till up to about the 70s. Gerald McCeallan most likely hit as hard as Patterson… Daniel Jacob’s and him probably have a good fight lol this modern weight cutting has changed boxing.

 

I already told you, the mileage.

I don't think you understand my point here, listing the damage on Wepner only makes it more humiliating that Liston couldn't put the guy away and his corner had to stop him.

Wilder's 2nd and 3rd fight with Fury gave him more damage than Liston took in his entire life.

 

His fight with Fury where Fury licked the blood on his ear could have killed boxing.

 

Liston has more heart and courage then Widler… he quit on the stool and his feat is surviving a 175lber… Wilder went out on his shield and fought 240lbs to 280lbs guys…

Liston has more skills - he was almost KO’d by his eras smaller, less successful Wilder and his best opponents he outweighed by 15-20lbs Machen was injured, Folley was glass and Patterson was a natural 175lber… some insist 168lber… what would we say if Wilder fought those guys?

Liston has a great chin… he had to KO the not very good Williams fast because he felt threatened by his power and believed he was going to be iced… then he was drummed into submission (quitting) by Ali a very average puncher and beaten so easily in the rerun folks prefer to cry fix lol, Wilder proved his chin far more Fury, Ortiz, Parker…

Liston has moar powa “I have quotes and zero impressive KO’s on his resume, there’s… Folley and Patterson and ah - Williams” all known to be famously quite average to glass Wilder touch of death’d guys you wouldn’t let fight Patterson in this day and age.

I’m not saying Liston would lose, most likely IMO but Liston is a better boxer but this would be easily the hardest fight of his career… when the going got tough he sat on his stool and didn’t rise to the occasion, his entire fight plan revolved around typically being the “big” guy, this bout he’s being overmatched physically as was the case of the less good Williams who almost KO’d him.

 

Oh come on....do you really think McClellan could have sparked out Johansson the way Floyd did ?
Come on man, be serious.

 

All have pretty empirical evidence in the form of having much more impressive KOs and showings of power in the ring.

Wow, Williams and Liston were at the top of the power list in a HW era where Usyk-sized Muhammad Ali dwarfed everyone. Super impressive. I changed my mind, Williams definitely must be punching harder than the 6'6 280 lbs Zhang that bounced Joyce around like a basketball.

 

Why not? They are both 180-190lbs guys famous for there punchers? - Canelo is the size of Patterson he’d probably beat Johansson, Daniel Jacob’s and Kovalev were all 190lbers and he did alright - Ingo fights at 168-175lbs today and gets beaten by guys like GGG lol.

 

Ok, in the unlikely scenario of Johansson fighting at 168-175 lbs would those guys cripple Johansson the way Floyd did ? Do you genuinely think that Canelo,for instance,would
really have the natural strength and power of Ingo.The answer is a resounding NO !

 

You seem to forget that the Williams-sized Poverkin took care of David Price and Dillian Whyte in a rather
brutal fashion.Who's to say that Williams couldn't do the same to some of todays jumbos ? By the way,surely
you remember how the 1970s sized Usyk would have sparked the biggest of them all,Tyson Fury, if the ref hadn't given butted in and stopped Usyk from flattening the so-called Gypsy King ? ( Just thought I'd mention that ).

 

Good job changing the topic, we are arguing power here, not overall fighting prowess, but if you are really curious Povetkin had more boxing skill in his pinky than Williams had in his whole body.

As for Usyk, he fought with the most fragile version of Fury who got his chin absolutely shattered to pieces from Wilder. Plus it wasn't his power that got to Fury, it was his precision and pressure.

 

Actually yeah he wouldn’t have the “natural” strength of a chubby Swedish meatball he’d have the strength of a PED induced full time athlete who lifts regularly. Why would Jacob’s and Canelo cripple Ingo? Neither are punchers… I’d bet on someone like Kovalev, Artur or GGG to KO him doe - Lol Ingo could lose enough fat to fit into 175lbs he was a porker.

 

Paper Cleveland Williams is in all sorts of conversations the real fighter just wasn't.