Would anyone pick Wilder to beat Liston??

Hang on,you're all over the place with this one.We were talking about SMWs and now you're talking about LHWs.
Make up your mind ! So would you take Beterbiev or Kovalev to knock out Johansson the same way that Patterson did ?
Are you sure about that ? I'm certainly not .
GGG ? LOL ! NO just no.

 

I’d take those guys to KO Ingo probably, I’m not sure why you’re falling behind here. There are LHW’s and SMW as big and bigger then Patterson yes - GGG, Artur, Canelo etc all fall into, above that spot or thereabouts. GGG is a hard headed puncher at and around 175lbs why not? - Ingo in shape is probably about 175lbs too.

 

Put down that bottle of hyperbole ! Usyk is an excellent technician but to say he has yet 'more boxing skill in his little pinky than Williams had in whole body ' is yet another example of exaggeration from you.
So Tyson Fury had his chin shattered from Wilder ? Hmm.....that is one massive piece of speculation.
Why have'nt you commented on Povetkin's kos of Price and Whyte ? Perhaps that doesn't suit your narrative.

 

You do have a curious view of the 60s and 70s heavyweights.Ingo was in ' shape '. We're not talking about Andy Riuz here.
'Chubby Swedish meatball ' is a ridiculous description of Johansson's physique.Back in those days men like Patterson and Johansson trained for 15 rounds.Given these requisites for world-championship fights it would be astonishing if these guys were not in supreme physical condition.

 

He has useless weight on him his far away from a washboard he could lose 20lbs easy LOL you obviously don’t understand dieting or basic body composition, you get be in shape and hold wasted weight, Ruiz is not out of shape sometimes but he is a ball of fat.

 

I wouldn't pick Wilder over Jimmy Braddock.

 

Would you favour him over some of the 25 guys who beat Braddock?

 

Oh do tell me what modern LHWs/ cruisers/ HWs have physiques that would put Ingo to shame.
So while condemning Ingo for being ' chubby ' you give the obese Ruiz credit for not being out of shape !
What nonsense !!

 

Wilder never learned how to fight.

 

I don’t think you’re understanding… that or you’re purposefully being “that way” let’s make it simple… Canelo, Jacobs, Artur and GGG are all around (either bigger or smaller but by small margins) the size of Patterson - I’d pick those guys to beat Ingo, I think if Ingo is in-shape actively trying to lose fat he could weigh 175-80lbs he is overweight looking and far from as lean as any of those guys... I don’t think any of them besides Artur could dramatically KO Ingo Patterson style. Any other questions? - Oh one last thing, Ruiz is in condition, his stamina is fine (sometimes) that’s what it means to be “in shape” for fighting Toney as a HW was more “in-shape” then 70s Foreman so was Ruiz… Marciano was in better shape then Bruno despite looking at times like a slightly chubby 175lber - is any of this difficult to understand?

 

I’m not sure I’d pick Wilder over ‘prime’ Sonny, but I’d darned sure give him a chance. I don’t think there’s a fighter he couldn’t knock out so it’s a matter of if he lands.

As awkward and unrefined as Wilder seemed at times, two things were real and world-class: his power and his hand speed. Every fighter he faced knew to avoid that right hand, but it was like an arrow in both velocity and accuracy when he timed and threw it correctly. Sonny wasn’t exactly a quick-twitch guy or an impossible fellow to hit, so I could definitely see Deontay laying him out.

Again, if I had to put money on it I would probably favor Liston, but I would not be shocked if he ended up on his back staring at the ceiling asking if anyone got the license plate of that truck that hit him.

 

He did learn how to punch to the more vulnerable back of the head - he did it often enough, OR, if one prefers, those wayward shots were simply a byproduct of his lack of boxing skills.

 

You need more reading comprehension, I said POVETKIN had more skill in his pinky than Williams, Usyk is incomparable. That's why he beat those two.

It's not really speculation, the guy that could walk through Deontay's hardest shots got dropped by a graze from Ngannou.

 

He slowed down a lot in the last 5-6 years of his career. While never fast on his feet, he wasn't slow with his hands and he had excellent timing, coordination and physical grace.