Shakur Stevenson is the best boxer in the world

BoxingIQ · Jul 14, 2025

Dorrian_Grey said: ↑

I do think Shakur is the best boxer in the world currently and made a lengthy post breaking down why I think so. There are plenty of better athletes out there, guys that punch harder, have faster hands, have better chins, stuff like that, but in terms of boxing and boxing only? Shakur is the best. When you strip away stuff like athletic traits, H2H hypotheticals, and resume, what you're left with is the skill and versatility a fighter shows in the ring, irrespective of who they're fighting. And I quite firmly believe that there is no-one as skilled as Shakur when it comes to boxing, the level of his craft and the variety he has is second to none.
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That's fair. I think Ennis and Shakur would beat everyone h2h

Lonsdale81 · Jul 14, 2025

BoxingIQ said: ↑

If we're talking ability, I dont see anyone outboxing shakur tbh
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He'll never be matched with a pure boxer that's why , he'll be matched against styles complimentary to his. That's how this **** works.. he'll also never be put at a significant size disadvantage either. Book it.

BoxingIQ · Jul 14, 2025

Lonsdale81 said: ↑

He'll never be matched with a pure boxer that's why , he'll be matched against styles complimentary to his. That's how this **** works.. he'll also never be put at a significant size disadvantage either. Book it.
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I dont understand....

Serge · Jul 14, 2025

BoxingIQ said: ↑

If we're talking ability, I dont see anyone outboxing shakur tbh
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In terms of ability, despite the fact he hasn't proven it against anyone close to P4P level or talent yet, I rate him highly

From a thread for current fighters you consider to be special

Serge said: ↑

In no order

Loma
Inoue
Usyk
Crawford
Clenelo
Shakur

Beterbiev is special in terms of physical strength and power. He's not just your regular physically strong powerful fighter. He's clearly built different and his skill level is good too and it's much better than many give him credit for.

Super Boots is special. His speed, power, athleticism, and fluidity is different. I'd say Teofimo is special in that regard too. He's very athletic, explosive, fast, and powerful and skilled too etc.

I don't think Clenelo is special in terms of athleticism but he's one of the most skilled fighters in the game and he's got an iron chin and is physically strong and powerful.

Bivol is kind of special too. His judgement of distance and range, accuracy, and speed of hand and foot are impressive and he has fast reaction times as well.

Twink is probably special too but he doesn't deserve to be included because he's in the ducking business, is a smoke and mirrors product of the PBC/Showtime
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Joeywill · Jul 14, 2025

Serge said: ↑

Bivol is a small LHW who weighed 183lbs with a 1.5'' reach advantage, Clenelo is a fully fledged SMW who weighed 178-180lbs

Bivol is routinely giving up at least 5lbs at LHW and often more or sometimes way more. Zurdo weighed at least 13lbs more than Bivol and it may well have been more or a lot more

Crawford, even if he weighed what he did at 154, which he obviously won't, weighs 8-10lbs less than Clenelo with a big reach advantage over him and Crawford was super lean with no fat on him at that weight

Loma was routinely outweighed by 2-3 divisions at 135 whilst simultaneously routinely giving away 3'' to almost 6'' in reach. He was outweighed by 4 divisions vs Haney whilst also giving away almost 6'' in reach. The size disparity was obscene.

It's David vs Goliath when Canelo and Terry and others are giving away a lot less or way less weight and reach than what Loma was routinely but crickets when Loma was routinely giving away lots or way more than they are or are going to be.

Not aiming this at you but It's really hard to take a lot of fans seriously
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I guess Shakur hasnt fought many bigger guys.

Serge said: ↑

Bivol is a small LHW who weighed 183lbs with a 1.5'' reach advantage, Clenelo is a fully fledged SMW who weighed 178-180lbs

Bivol is routinely giving up at least 5lbs at LHW and often more or sometimes way more. Zurdo weighed at least 13lbs more than Bivol and it may well have been more or a lot more

Crawford, even if he weighed what he did at 154, which he obviously won't, weighs 8-10lbs less than Clenelo with a big reach advantage over him and Crawford was super lean with no fat on him at that weight

Loma was routinely outweighed by 2-3 divisions at 135 whilst simultaneously routinely giving away 3'' to almost 6'' in reach. He was outweighed by 4 divisions vs Haney whilst also giving away almost 6'' in reach. The size disparity was obscene.

It's David vs Goliath when Canelo and Terry and others are giving away a lot less or way less weight and reach than what Loma was routinely but crickets when Loma was routinely giving away lots or way more than they are or are going to be.

Not aiming this at you but It's really hard to take a lot of fans seriously
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canelo is small for a LHW
He's even small for a SMW

Joeywill · Jul 14, 2025

Lonsdale81 said: ↑

Stevenson has been a professional for 8 years already yet has moved up just 9lbs of divisions (126-135) despite walking around at over 170lbs.. out of the 5 major title he's won over those 3 divisions THREE were VACANT titles.. he hasn't fully unified any one division & his best win is William Zepeda (barely beat a 35 year old Tevin Farmer) who is stylistically tailor made for him. This isn't evidence of the best boxer in the world. You've seen nothing extraordinary with Stevenson, it's the same old careful matchmaking, resume padding, trinket belt garnishing we've seen numerous times with these weight grifting US rehydrator types like Haney, Stevenson & Crawford.
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Where do you get that Shakur Stevensons walk around weight is in the 170s? I've never heard that

No clever matchmaking, just Gervonta Davis and Vasyl Lomachenko ducking

Serge · Jul 14, 2025

Joeywill said: ↑

I guess Shakur hasnt fought many bigger guys.

canelo is small for a LHW
He's even small for a SMW
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I'm not and never have disputed Bivol was bigger but it was by 3-5lbs

Bivol 181 - Pascal 188

Bivol 184 - Chilemba 189

Bivol 180 - Agnew 186

Bivol 183 - Clenelo 178-180

Joe Smith weighed 188 against B-Hop

Zurdo weighed 196 and 204 for LHW fights

Benavidez 189 - Gvozdyk 190

Benavidez 196 - Morrell 190

Clenelo is short but very thick-set. He's rehydrating 10-12lbs at SMW but there's a very noticeable size difference when he's facing massive weight bullies at that weight

CST80 · Jul 14, 2025

Joeywill said: ↑

Pretty bad post by you
Zepeda threw almost 1000 punches and barely ever landed anything clean

Compubox doesn't work on boxing most of the time because boxing isn't a numbers sport
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Pretty bad case of denial for you. Compubox works just fine, in fact they've probably gotten it down to the science at this point. They're literally paid to count punches that land. So they're far more keyed in on stuff like that than you are. Do they miss some here and there? Sure, but not that drastically. Go back and rewatch the match and focus only on Zepeda and what he's landing. And yes, plenty landed clean, far more than you're willing to admit.

lobk · Jul 14, 2025

I hate the day after knee jerk post.

Confusing best with potential. To me the best is someone that has a resume to prove it. Not someone with a paper thin resume. That is someone with potential.

edit: even if we talk skill. He is not the best.

Joeywill · Jul 14, 2025

CST80 said: ↑

Pretty bad case of denial for you. Compubox works just fine, in fact they've probably gotten it down to the science at this point. They're literally paid to count punches that land. So they're far more keyed in on stuff like that than you are. Do they miss some here and there? Sure, but not that drastically. Go back and rewatch the match and focus only on Zepeda and what he's landing. And yes, plenty landed clean, far more than you're willing to admit.
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Nah compubox is garbage and for goofies
It's just one guy counting punches landed in real time
Zepeda swinging at air 10-2 Shakur

Joeywill · Jul 14, 2025

lobk said: ↑

I hate the day after knee jerk post.

Confusing best with potential. To me the best is someone that has a resume to prove it. Not someone with a paper thin resume. That is someone with potential.

edit: even if we talk skill. He is not the best.
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Shakur is the best
You'll jump on the train in 2 years

lobk · Jul 14, 2025

Joeywill said: ↑

Shakur is the best
You'll jump on the train in 2 years
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You even listed all these other boxer and then he has the potential to be the best. In 2 years he will probably have two no chance opponent.

JunlongXiFan · Jul 14, 2025

Joeywill said: ↑

Nah compubox is garbage and for goofies
It's just one guy counting punches landed in real time
Zepeda swinging at air 10-2 Shakur
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B-b-but Olympic judges get paid to score punches, though

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Joeywill · Jul 14, 2025

lobk said: ↑

You even listed all these other boxer and then he has the potential to be the best. I. 2 years he will probably have two no chance opponent.
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He's the best in the ring
Not resume wise

JunlongXiFan · Jul 14, 2025

Have you ever seen junto? Shakur is up there for sure. I gotta watch him vs zepeda

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