Would anyone pick Wilder to beat Liston??

I think Liston would murder Fury.

 

The fact people are saying he was quick is concerning to me, who has got slow hands if not Liston? - seriously.

 

He was never known for slow hands, just slow feet .... also he was criticized for always moving straight forward and straight back. Watch Liston-Patterson 1 again. He trained hard for that fight and it showed. What nobody remembers is what Floyd said afterward on the radio: "He was too fast."

 

So sorry my mistake.Ok, let's change the message.To say that 'Povetkin has more skill in his pinky than Williams had in his whole body ' is not just exaggeration-it is unfounded nonsense.No doubt you're hoping this will explain why a 1960s/70s sized heavyweight like Povetkin sparked out two of your beloved jumbo-sized heavies.

 

LOL ! You do like to qualify your statements - Ruiz is in condition sometimes.Big George's weakness during the 70s was his lack of stamina.So the fact the fat version of Toney had better
stamina is hardly noteworthy. When did Marciano ever look slightly chubby ?
Ingo,at least, for his first title challnge, was a supremely fit 196 lbs.Yes,I know fighters
can rehydrate up to 20 lbs but the idea of that version of Johansson losing 20lbs and then rehydrating up to 196 lbs is fanciful to say the least.Why don't you take a look at the prime version of Johansson rather than the less than peak version of his third fight with Patterson ?
Go on, give it a go.

 

If Wilder took more damage in two fights, than Liston did in his entire life, that makes me even more confident in a Liston victory.

Of course it's utter rubbish and more laughable excuses from you. Yes, Wilder took a lot of damage against Fury but he certainly wasn't shot after. A year after the bout, he knocked out Helenius in one round, one of his best victories.

"I don't think you understand my point here, listing the damage on Wepner only makes it more humiliating that Liston couldn't put the guy away and his corner had to stop him."

It's absolutely not humiliating considering Liston was minimum 40 years old fighting a boxer who would go on to make the Ring's top ten. Care to tell me what guys like Ali, Louis, Marciano, Dempsey, etc were doing at 40?

Wilder couldn't even stop stunt dummy number 3 ffs and he's still in his 30s.

 

What a fantastic quote. Never heard it before. Thanks New.

 

I wouldn't pick Usyk, Fury or AJ over Braddock.

 

Weird, eh?

Some people still banging on the Liston - Wepner fight in a completely unjustified attempt to discredit Liston - while also rejecting all DUE qualifications put to them, including Chuck’s own nomination of Liston as the hardest puncher he ever faced.

Foreman didn’t drop Wepner but Liston did with a body shot.

Also, I could guess that the Foreman fight was stopped for a lot less damage -

For the Liston fight, Chuck made a specific request to officials and the ref not to stop the fight based on cuts - and I believe he extended that appeal during the course of the fight.

If we wanted to be similarly superficial and cute about it, we might say that Chuck couldn’t drop Sonny but he did drop Ali.

By 1970, at near or over 40 yo, while he retained a good measure of the integrity of his form and executions, Liston was as slow as molasses (including declined reflexes) and running on a heavily reduced and limited fuel tank - thus being required to pick his shots even more considerately.

Liston had plenty of a raw power but the discernible loss of hand speed in later age still took from his prime punch - his prime hand speed having aided and abetted his raw power in some measure - including his ability to follow up in due time before his hurt opponent got away from him.

If Liston had been whipping in punches with the speed he displayed against, say. Williams, Chuck would’ve been stopped much sooner, likely with several KDs involved - if not suffering an actual outright KO loss before the ref stepped in.

 

I must be missing something. I’m going to dust off my Cinderella Man Boxset and re-review each and every one of Jim’s fights. I’m open to having my mind changed.

 

Braddock fell off mountains Usyk could never have approached.

 

It's from my old memory of listening to that 1962 title fight. I was 14 and in shock at the knockout -- I remember trembling -- for I was an ardent Floyd fan while Liston to me represented certain people, known and unknown, I feared in the segregated black neighborhoods of my youth.

After the fight I remember Floyd was interviewed in the ring, and he said in reply to a question, "He was too fast", and that stood out for me because Liston was never described as fast. I thought Floyd might be confused, after all he'd just been kayoed. Anyway, I still remember it. Could my 77-year-old mind be playing tricks? I guess it's possible.

 

This may well be true - but could he juggle kettlebells like Olek can or deftly punch a rubber ball at the end of an elastic band affixed to his head?

 

Yeah put Liston against Fury and see what happens.

No, he was shot and its not even up for debate, people just couldn't notice it because he KO'd an even more shot Helenius. Then he took 2 years off and got absolutely murdered by Parker and Zhang looking worse than he ever did. Like this is not even something we can have a discussion about, Wilder was shot, end of story.

They couldn't last that long as they didn't fight people half their size that stood no chance against them.

He is 39 and far more declined than Liston ever was. All this proves is that shot Liston's power > 3x shot Wilder's power. Prime for prime its not even a question who hits harder.

 

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