¿Who was physically stronger between George Foreman and Jack Johnson?

Really based on? Ken Norton and Joe Frazier? - No Lyle would be orbited by Bakole, not a hard fight we’d actually all call Bakole a fraud if he fought someone the size of Lyle who was known to run right at you and punch it out… “he’s fighting primitive Cruisers!” We’d never stop hearing, same with Foreman, if Ali man handled and snapped Foreman’s head back what would Bakole do? Have you ever seen George adapt to a good fighter with the length and height of Bakole? No.

 

O'Halloran match is a really important one in Foreman's career imo, it perfectly shows that Foreman can change his style and fight effectively against someone bigger than him as well.

 

Yeah a really big can of tomato’s made him swap up his game… imagine if that was a real fighter just an inch or two taller and about 30lbs heavier then JH.

 

You couldn't have missed the point worse if you tried.

 

Idc

 

It's certainly not unverifiable.

So do you normally get into he habit of slandering boxers and then backing off when people ask you to back it up? I mean you did this with Ken Norton too. You claimed Anderson was on roids and now you are trying to fade into the wind.

Edit: just saw you slandered Bakole too. You disrespect people all the time and then wonder why they aren't fond of you as if this is a Sherlock Holmes mystery.

 

Slander? YES it is, Saying a professional athlete is likely on steroids is shader BUT are you just gullible? Anderson’s on the juice, Norton and Bakole too… at a minimum more than likely… they’d be unwise not to be lol oh God I called them unwise too now, sorry about that GCC I forget you and Norton were so close… wanna explain to me why you’ve called Rex Layne a bum in the past and “back it up”? (The leading contender…) See how stupid that is? You’re being pedantic, it’s a nerdy niche section of a boxing forum… we have like two? people involved in boxing… Bakole I assure you, the millionaire athlete doesn’t give a solitary F we are “slandering” him.

 

Ali was a smarter fighter than Foreman. But he even admitted that he wasn’t as strong.

 

So what proof do you have they're juicing?

 

lol I don’t have any for some bodybuilders either or at one time Lance Armstrong… you’re right it’s blind slander, millionaire pro athletes would never use performance enhancing drugs it’s unchristian, I’m making a formal apology to Norton, Bakole, Holyfield and whoever else I’ve accused of such a terrible thing - what proof do you have Rex Layne is bum? No “backing up”

 

He was winning in the clinches. You can't do it without being stronger. But of course there are different types of strenght.

 

I’ll go with what Ali said straight after Foreman knocked out Norton.

There is no universe where Ali was as physically strong as Foreman.

 

If you go with what Ali is saying then you have to admit Foreman was weaker? - Ali himself said he was stronger then Foreman… said Foreman didn’t really hit that hard too, that the newspapers had everybody fooled.

 

The pre-fight comments are most likely to be correct.

Their respective records, especially against common opponents tells the story. But as I recall you don’t think especially highly of Foreman and don’t tend to give him very much credit (if I have mistaken you for another poster please accept my apologies).

 

It’s me you’re thinking of brother but no biggie - Ali post fight said Foreman wasn’t as strong, noted that he handled him in the clinches and made him look bad (true) Ali quite openly said he didn’t hit hard immediately after (true)… we are willing to hear “Carnera had nothing” but when it’s Foreman? Let’s be critical for a second here to understand why I don’t rate Foreman - he was moved very fast he had very, very little time in the pros by 74 he’d been a pro about 4 years mostly running over “cans” to make up for his lack of amateur exp then he hit the stylistic jackpot with an unconfident sort of fighter in Norton who was easy to find and a rapidly declining very small Frazier… old timers used to say decision losses were more valuable then 1st rd KO’s bringing a guy up… Moore himself talked about so much latent potential being wasted… Foreman had basically one stiff fight and it was against a LHW who was no threat and that was it, unseasoned he was absolutely GREEN - Ali had been boxing for near on 20 years, Ali knew the tricks and spent many years clinching, wrestling around in the ring and conditioning himself and his skills for boxing he was a real pro and dispatched of him easily as George was a big strong novice nothing more… and yet we are meant to believe he beats Tyson, Holyfield, Lennox, Wlad, Louis, Holmes or is 50-50? Crazy talk IMO looking at his skill set, size, experience… circling back Ali absolutely was stronger then George as is expressed in the ring… in static strength a “lift off” George looks a bit more muscular he probably has it (90% sure) but that’s not definitive even as we have nothing to go on.