¿Who was physically stronger between George Foreman and Jack Johnson?

Haterade to clench the thirst?

 

You drank it all and vomited it on GF.

 

I operate about 850 sq metres. I call it my Ponderosa. Enough land for me. I certainly don’t need to mow anymore than that.

 

I don’t hate Foreman, I just don’t think he’s any good in the 70s - I like Old Foreman story, way of fighting and marketing, If people put Foreman in his right place… and that’s as a small HW puncher one that’s a bit outdated the way we do with Marciano it would be right, he’s a little guy now, wee sized a big cruiser and a bit too rudimentary for a lot of the bigger boxers after him he fights like a “big” guy he stylistically doesn’t have the goods after his time, actually in the 80s his size and strength became common place… what he did to Norton, Lennox and others would to do to him no doubt.

 

Foreman was 217-220lbs in his prime at his best, end of, using any other version is combining a fighter in different stages of his career… Tyson at 234lbs against Lennox looked a helluva lot more muscular then the version of Foreman who fought Jimmy Young at 226lbs… no matter how you try to shift things around Tyson was a freak specimen, a denser more muscular guy and it doesn’t really matter but that’s just it with the Foreman mafia LOL he for whatever reason to you guys has to he the strongest man to ever live lol and you die on that hill no matter how silly it is - Foreman in the 70s was just a pretty big 6ft3 guy, in the 80s-90s he was just a really fat guy at 235lbs in his comeback he was far away from lean, above that he was a strong looking fatty. If Tyson used PED’s or not it really doesn’t matter, he probably did everybody should to survive… we evaluate the fighters as they were, Foreman very well may be a bigger guy then Takam without PED’s but the version in the ring and real life would make GF his B in the weight room we evaluate based on reality. If you can’t understand why Tyson was more seasoned then a 70s Foreman you’re a moron, you’re ignoring a whole bunch of context to make a bunch of points nobody cares about expect for die hard haters I don’t give a F about McBride what does it have to do with my orignal statement? - old Foreman is also irrelevant btw, this is about YOUNG Foreman lol.

 

Tyson was 218 lbs against Spinks. Both him and Foreman weigh around the same prime-for-prime, only Foreman was 6'3-6'4 and knew how to use his strength in the ring, while Tyson did not.

 

Why was was he successful in the 90’s then?

You know he actually won the lineal world title as a fat old man in 1994 (not bad seeing as people like Foreman were everyday by the 80’s in your opinion). Or did you sleep through that bit?

Not any good in the 70’s??Child you don’t win a World Heavyweight Title when there was but one champion if you’re “not any good”. That is a ridiculous, disrespectful and asinine statement. I don’t think you get how stupid some of your sweeping generalisations are.

Do better you child.

 

Foreman was 229 vs Scott Le Doux and the commentators were saying how massive he looked. The man had a massive frame and if he used weight training and had access to modern ped’s he’d be huge.

Tyson was useless in a clinch. He did nothing but allow himself to be tied up and walked back. Comparing him strength wise with a demonstrably strong fighter like Foreman who made a career out of shoving and shunting big men around is laughable.

 

Cmon bro you’ve bumped this thread like 8 times just to dump on him, you’ve reached Lex Luthor hater tier

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I personally think Foreman is a case of a guy being both big and unusually strong in a relative sense, as was his one time mentor Sonny Liston. Something you usually see most in boxers around the 50 - 70kg range. He also seems like the type to be very, very well built internally - thick, stiff tendons, strong, dense bones, great fascia etc. People don't realise how important that type of stuff is - way more important for fighting than single lift numbers (and I also can't recall Foreman having any glaring injuries in his career that overly impacted him long term). It also explains the power despite not being overly fast and sometimes throwing unloaded shots (Beterbiev a great modern example of this). I myself have personally seen big men in boxing gyms who are unusually weak despite their size. George is opposite imo. Foreman's sheer physical presence is very apparent against Holyfield, who was both educated in strength training and roided to ****.

I think Johnson had better application and muscular endurance, but whilst beneficial, wrestling isn't exactly infighting in the boxing sense, especially post Walker law. Johnson can't exactly shoot anything close to a double leg here, especially in a 70s ruleset. I personally think Foreman's rudimentary enough technique plus his physicality would still allow him to overpower Johnson. Jacks chance is to draw it out to an endurance comp, which wouldn't happen as he would be brutally KOd before the fourth round.

 

I don’t think you can follow an argument lol come on man, go back, read the original point… you made this about old Foreman for some reason my thing was Tyson was more seasoned then 70s Foreman - Old Foreman in the 90s fought little guys BTW he purposely didn’t cross paths with the dreadnoughts.

 

Can’t fault a man for having a hobby.

 

Oh yeah In GF’s time you’d be right, In JJ’s, JJ wins - if we are talking about strength though we don’t really know do we? I don’t see any verifiable numbers for either guy, wrestling being basically the closest we can get it’s pretty obvious who’d win at that.

 

You see this is where this Forum is confused all the time…. @Pat M and @greynotsoold have basically made a part time hobby of explaining why Tyson got pushed around in the clinches… look at how he’s standing, look at his hips, his feet - that’s your answer. George pushed people, Sumos can shove around Powerlifters it doesn’t mean they’re stronger unless your definition is grappling? Then in this case JJ would be stronger than both Tyson and Foreman.

 

About the Foreman > Holyfield situation, Foreman actually said himself regarding Bowe handling Holyfield that it didn’t mean he was stronger just heavier… Foreman outweighed Holy by like 50lbs.