To all the people claiming Usyk is the greatest Heavyweight

Not at all.

Yes everything is about styles and stylistically Frazier, Tyson, Lewis, Ali, would be very challenging opponents for Usyk.

All that proves is that most of the Heavyweights now have thin resumes and most of them are overrated in a H2H sense.

Fury for example has been decked close to 10 times in his career and struggled against alot of mediocre fighters and has a thin resume.

Of course it's relevant Dubois is simply not that good he's a chinny stiff Heavyweight with suspect heart.

Fury is a slob with trunks up to his armpits.

And people like to tell me this is peak evolution for Heavyweights ? laughable.

Now that's no knock on Usyk who has ATG skills but the Heavyweights now are simply not that good and people now are just starting to realize how overrated alot of these Heavyweights are including Dubois who was being favoured over Foreman recently lol.

Dubois hadn't improved that's the thing people were fooled into thinking that because he headbutted Hrgovic to oblivion. And then caught Joshua with a shot in which he didn't recover from. A Joshua who hasn't had a real significant win in like 5 years and hadn't fought a dangerous puncher since Povetkin in 2018.

As he should Dubois is not that good and has below average boxing IQ and also chinny with suspect heart.

Cruiserweight division has nothing to do with Heavyweight rankings that's overall P4P rankings.

But you're on about H2H ability and it's not fair to compare really old Heavyweights as they were alot smaller on average and would be considered Light Heavyweights/Cruiserweights in the modern era and you have to rate the fighters for that time period.

If you pitted Usyk/Marciano at Cruiserweight it would be a great fight.

 

That tends to happen when you're consistently fighting 3 times a year against ranked opposition.

Usyk on average has been averaging 1 fight per year since 2019.

 

Holmes had 20 title defences went 48-0 and beat 15 top 10 ranked Heavyweights.

Holyfield had 10 title defences 11 wins against top 10 ranked opposition and has a better resume than Usyk at Heavyweight.

Tyson had 12 title defences 12 wins against top 10 ranked opposition and went 37-0 in the 80s.

I'm not seeing the argument for Usyk above these fighters.

Holmes had x3 as many world title wins and x3 times as many wins over top 10 ranked Heavyweights.

Holyfield, Tyson, had double the world title wins and double the wins over top 10 ranked Heavyweights.

 

It's in my first post in no order.

 

All that means is that Miller is obese and grossly out of shape that's not the flex you think it is.

Meanwhile Ali beat Liston, Foreman, Frazier, 2 out of the 3 were in their prime and would be considered top 10 Heavyweights of all time.

And also took on some of the most dangerous punchers in history Lyle, Shavers, Foreman, Liston, without being dropped.

Cruiserweight achievements have nothing to do with Usyk's Heavyweight ranking. You're talking about all time P4P rankings i'm strictly on about Heavyweight rankings.

He would beat some yes but people are claiming he would beat most on the list with ease and that's called a knee-jerk reaction.

I'd favour Usyk over the likes of Foreman, Louis, Marciano.

Holyfield 50/50.

Holmes 50/50.

I think Lewis, Ali, Frazier FOTC, Tyson, all have very good chances of beating Usyk.

 

Because that narrative is totally false.

How are the likes of Dubois, Wilder, Fury, Parker, better than the likes of Ali, Holmes, Lewis, Tyson. You're seriously telling me regarding the eye test you think they're better ? just because they are more modern ?

 

Here's the issue.

Unlike the Heavyweights of the past who were consistently fighting a few times a year against top 10 Heavyweights so we had a better gauge who was the best in regards to H2H ability. The Heavyweights today don't do that so we aren't seeing enough match ups to really determine who is the best H2H.

Let's take Fury for example since he beat an old Wladimir in 2015 in 10 years he's only beaten 2 opponents ranked in the top 10 Wilder, Whyte. Fury during that period also almost lost to Wallin, Ngannou, the Ngannou fight was also prior to the Usyk fight.

If Fury had been consistently fighting top 10 ranked opponents would he still be considered the best ? highly debatable considering he has a thin resume and is so up and down with his erratic behaviour.