This generation of heavies...does it simply suck?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Glass City Cobra, Jul 19, 2025 at 11:11 PM.


What do you think?

  1. This era freaking sucks

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  2. Usyk is just that good

    47 vote(s)
    48.5%

  3. It's a little bit of both

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  4. Something else

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  1. The Professor

    The Professor Socialist Ring Leader Staff Member

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    It's a bit of both - it's a weak era and Usyk is very, very good. He'd hold a title in virtually any era (maybe not the 70s), but wouldn't be this dominant.
     
    The Professor, Jul 20, 2025 at 9:41 AM
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  2. Jackman65

    Jackman65 FJB Full Member

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    The OP DKSAB! Usyk would be great in any era. A slick southpaw with huge ring IQ who can move like no other HW. He makes bigger heavier guys look slow and stupid because he is in complete control. A generational talent, I believe he would be competitive against any HW in history including Ali. At 38, Usyk is the undisputed HW champ with no real competition. In his 30’s, Ali was eating soft food, after getting destroyed by an old Larry Holmes and toothless Leon Spinks. Usyk would beat both of those guys without breaking a sweat on the same day. Too easy.
     
    Jackman65, Jul 20, 2025 at 9:58 AM
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  3. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This hits the bullseye
     
    Reinhardt, Jul 20, 2025 at 10:01 AM
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  4. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ouch! That truth stings
     
    Reinhardt, Jul 20, 2025 at 10:01 AM
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  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Voted "little bit of both".

    Usyk's great; the rest suck.
     
    IntentionalButt, Jul 20, 2025 at 10:31 AM
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  6. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Yes, some idiots would say that and overrate the current crop of heavies.

    I certainly wasn't sold on Fury, Aj, Dubois, etc. Fury went life and death with Wilder and an MMA fighter. AJ lost to a shorter comically obese Mexican. Dubois got his face shattered by the extremely limited but tough Joyce who punches so slow you could order take out between shots. This all happened long before Usyk humiliated them all twice.

    Speaking of myself, I am absolutely not belittling Usyk. He should get plenty of credit for being an older fighter beating men who are often 2-4 inches taller and 20-40 lbs heavier. But two things can be true at the same time, that's Usyk did an amazing job and that these big super heavies just aren't that impressive in terms of skill and overall ability, they're simply big and strong with above average ability.
     
    Glass City Cobra, Jul 20, 2025 at 1:23 PM
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  7. TNSNO1878

    TNSNO1878 Member Full Member

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    A little bit of both.

    Fury - ballooned to 28 stone, has one actual A-grade win vs Klitshcko, got dropped and nearly lost to a cage fighter on his debut.
    Joshua - has been lost at sea ever since the Ruiz loss.
    Dubois - dropped by Lerena three times, outboxed by Joe Joyce, zero ring IQ at the elite level.

    The top fighters would have obliterated these three in the 1970s or 1990s; Usyk would be the only one who could hold his own, but I don't think he is greater than Foreman, Ali, Lewis, Holmes, or Holyfield. Imagine Holmes vs. Dubois or Foreman vs. Joshua. His cruiserweight legacy is undeniable, but yes, this heavyweight era is marginally better than the 00's and early to mid-10's, which was the worst era there's ever been.
     
    TNSNO1878, Jul 20, 2025 at 1:42 PM
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  8. PrimoGT

    PrimoGT New Member Full Member

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    It's a good era but a tiny few of the boxers have been horribly overrated and hyped.
    Namely, Fury and especially Joshua, previously Wilder. Even Dillian Whyte, only a few years back. They all might have been seen as "mediocre" if they had come along 5 years earlier in the middle of 'crap' Wlad Klitschko era.
     
    PrimoGT, Jul 20, 2025 at 1:50 PM
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  9. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Yeah, it's very easy to imagine several of those 70's fighters holding their own with today's top 10. They kind of suck, which is what the thread is about. They lack in various areas like ring IQ, defense, speed, timing, etc.

    I would bet every cent I have Quarry makes Wilder look like an imbecile and schools him. DDD has a really questionable chin and heart despite his size and strength, Zhang is slow as hell with a terrible gas tank, etc. They're far from unbeatable in other eras.

    Kabayel looks real good tho, he'd be a formidable opponent for the 70's crowd.
     
    Glass City Cobra, Jul 20, 2025 at 1:50 PM
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  10. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So?
    Lewis was embarrassed by average fighters Mccall and Rahman,Tyson was destroyed by a cab driver called Douglas, Wlad was put into sleep by mediocre fighters Puritty and Sanders, etc etc...
     
    OldSchoolBoxing, Jul 20, 2025 at 1:52 PM
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  11. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Fury & Usyk compete in ANY era at the top. Top class and special fighters at their respective bests. Just as Fury showed that super heavies can shake and move not all plodding stiffs in an era where people questioned whether smaller heavies could even compete BAM in comes Usyk to show...yes, yes they can if they're good enough.

    If Fury can somehow find some life in that body for their trilogy and they both perform again at their age then it's magnificent.
     
    miniq, Jul 20, 2025 at 1:53 PM
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  12. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    In terms of boxing ability, it's very obvious Fury was the 2nd best boxer of this era. Although I really wish he fought a wider variety of opponents to actually prove it.

    For a while AJ had a legitimately good resume and had beaten many good names, but Ruiz derailed him and he's never recovered since then getting worse and worse almost every year. In terms of skill he was quite well rounded for a big guy with power as he had decent inside skill, body punching, a heavy jab, good uppercut, etc.
     
    Glass City Cobra, Jul 20, 2025 at 1:55 PM
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  13. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Calling Douglas a "cab driver" means you are far too ignorant and unintelligent to take seriously.
     
    Glass City Cobra, Jul 20, 2025 at 1:56 PM
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  14. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Name the ATG boxer from the 70's who have these outstanding boxers on their resume. Then compare said opponents to the HW's of today who all apparently suck:

    Jurgen Blin
    Jean-Pierre Coopman
    Rudi Lubbers
    Chuck Wepner i.e. the Bayonne Bleeder
    Karl Mildenberger
    Don Warner
    Dale Sabedong
    Tony Esperti

    I have news for you guys: not every boxer pre-1990 was a Jack Dempsey.
     
    FrankinDallas, Jul 20, 2025 at 2:00 PM
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  15. Kiwi_in_America

    Kiwi_in_America The Tuaminator Full Member

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    The 70s was apparently some "mythical" boxing paradise. I was around then, and I can tell you it was not all that.

    What people do not see is that today's giants are much bigger - and move so well for their SIZE

    It is the size and athleticism of today's giants that would absolutely destroy most of the 70s and 80s fighters

    Even Chisora would be a terrible handful for many of those guys
     
    Kiwi_in_America, Jul 20, 2025 at 2:43 PM
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