Who would Usyk have to beat to be a top 1-5 HW Of All Time?

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7 Fights in 5 Years against none great stellar fighter, why does the years matter, well, even if he could have fought 2 times in each year that Is Not a big expectation among Fighters and Boxing, it is what they are 'supposed' to do after all.

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Better, sure, Elite, no, ATG's no... most of them Top Noted and even Very good fighters, himself included, some not.

So how in the name of True Greats does he even beat many of them, nevermind better than them.

Using even the absolutely rediculous Achievement Based listings, many, many L-HW and HW greats fought many more great fighters than him.

Madness.

 

He will never be between 1-4 Ali, Louis, Lewis, Holmes, have way too much depth.

He could maybe slot in at number 5 if he beat the likes of Parker, Kabayel, and Itauma assuming he has some notable wins and keeps winning.

But realistically Usyk won't have enough time to achieve all that he's probably having 1 more fight and hopefully it's against Parker.

 

I would say Parker, Kabayel, and maybe Itauma or Jai. Lot of his ranking will also depend how well they do after he retires but I think few more weeks and he's definitely top 5 with one of the best resume in Heavyweight history

 

Usyk will be one of the fighters that likely ranks higher H2H than he does in all-time rankings.

As @Dynamicpuncher says, 1 - 4 have too much depth and then there's Rocco, Wlad Tyson, Frazier, Holyfield, Foreman, Liston etc. and others with either deeper résumés or much bigger signature wins.

Unfortunately, the quality of the competition of today and the consideration of the fighters when he faced them, Usyk's chances of breaking in there are nigh on virtually impossible.

 

There is nothing he can do. He is 38 with 8 HW fights against 5 opponents. He has 2 additional CW wins against ranked HWs. Usyk is 24-0 total. That is a short resume for someone coming into the home stretch of their career.

With Beterbiev at 175 everyone seems to understand this concept just fine but with Usyk? Nope hes got nothing left to prove.

 

You fight the people who are there to fight.

Question is, does Usyk handle them as you feel a 1-5 AT heavyweight should handle them. Of course, different heavyweights have different assets which the parlay to success. Jack Johnsons way of being a great boxer isn't precisely isn't Dempsey's way, which isn't exactly LKouis's way, which isn't exactly Marciano's way, which isn't exactly Ali's way, ech ect. infinitum.
So the more developed question is, if an Usyk-sort of fighter was a 1-5 ATG hvy, does he fight and treat the qualified competition of hius time in a way that supports the notion that he's ATG.
Baseball player Henry Aaron once said, you ask if an athlete dominated, you ask how dominable were the athlete's time. Of as forum poster Ted Spoon once wrote, Performance in light of Opposition. But it's never just 'resume'. There's nothing strictly impossible in a greater fighter, in a markedly weaker era, having a less impressive resume -- if all the resume is 'names' -- than a (somewhat) weaker fighter in a stronger era. But 'resume' SHOULD NOT be only the names; it should include who a boxer performed against the names. The 'names' are the light that make the greatness more or less knowable; but the greatness of a fighter is most of all in their operation.

 

Unless he reigns for another 6 or so years and defends his titles twice a year for that time, then I don't see him ever having a case for being 1 or 2. If he beats Parker and Kabayel then I could see him as a 5 or 4. To get to 3 for me he'd need to basically clear out the top 10-15. Get wins over guys like Zhang, Hrgovic, Bakole, Ajagba, Wardley. Beat a future champion like Itauma on his way out aswell like Lewis.

It's important to note that he is undefeated and would be retiring undefeated in these scenarios. That's a feat that gets Marciano high rankings in heavyweight lists, but Usyk would have done it against better opposition as a smaller man fighting super heavyweights.

 

he can't, he isn't, he never will be...

Usyk vs PARKER is a 'must' though !

 

People act like he doesn’t have a case already. To secure it he could beat Wilder and Ruiz or Parker. I actually think Ruiz v Usyk would be a real fun fight. Although Ruiz didn’t look to good last time out. But he is a name for the ledger. Usyk is that good where he already has a better resume than Holmes and maybe Foreman. Little behind the Ali’s and Louis but right there w Marciano and Lewis

 

I don't think he has the time, nor the opposition to do that.

However, his best case scenario would be to pick off a fighter that beat some good guys (like Parker) and then maybe 1-2 young lions (like Itauma etc) who would be reasonably expected to go on to have a great career in future. If for the sake of argument Itauma went on to have a Lewis-like career, Usyk being undefeated and holding a comprehensive win over him would age very well.

 

Beating the current versions of Wilder and Ruiz doesn't hold weight other than in name alone. Parker is a solid fighter but certainly not enough to elevate him above Holmes' achievements at the weight.

We are assessing him at HW - he doesn't have 10 total fights at the weight class. How can he be compared as a HW champion to the entirety and accomplishments of Rocco and Lewis's achievements?

 

Usyk is unlikely to make my Top-10, let alone Top-5.

His being the current, generational number one says more about the era than it does about Usyk's 'greatness'. That is, he's an excellent technician who has adequately handled a few over-hyped big boys, but he will ultimately lack the depth of heavyweight résumé and opposition quality to get him there.

 

Ali, Louis, Lewis, Holmes, Wlad, Marciano/Foreman .... then other guys.

But that is taking into account greatness and dominance and quality of opponents and and then also H2H ability.

Otherwise my top ten might be on H2H ability

Lewis / Vitali
Usyk / Wlad
Holmes / Fury
other guys

And even that raises the question on whether Fury should be there. He can be as good as a HW boxer can be ... briefly. The rest of the time he is cruising on size, talent and pies.