Who hit the hardest: Ali, Holmes, or Usyk?

Didn't you know that single examples are useless? If it isn't Cooper hurting Ali, of course.

 

I'm just going to say that this conclusion really bodes well for my "Golovkin beats up Joe Louis" campaign. You are the hero that I needed.

 

Stahp! Stahp!

I was just writing my analysis on how Louis had a paper chin and how GGG has a sublime godly chin and how Joe's punches would just bounce off that bunker like little plastic BB pellets off of a brick wall. Don't tell me I was wasting my time!!!

 

I don't agree with everything you wrote, but you did put some thought into that. It was a considered and balanced post. You tried to take a rounded view of the matter.

Therefore, I need to ask you to leave this thread and never come back. Your kind is not welcome in these parts!

 

A single example about a single fighter can tell us something about that fighter.

A single example in a field of thousands of fighters is statistically close to worthless.

 

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If you're down to a single example about a fighter who faced two generations of top fighters, you're probably not on solid ground.

Especially not if there are multiple examples of the opposite for said fighter. But, hey, keep on trucking. You're doing just great.

 

After further thought I'm changing my answer since Weaver was just around 210 lbs. The correct answer is the jab Usyk stoppped modern giant Dubois with in their first meet.

 

I can't agree with this revisionism of Usyk being a puncher. He has never been the type of guy who can ice you at any moment. He was 220, with sharp, precise shots which are well timed so of course he can do some damage, but he's no Wilder or even a Dubois level puncher. I'm not going to take a hard stance here between Ali, Usyk & Holmes because they're all about the same imo - Ali stopped the best/most durable of the three, Usyk has hurt the biggest and Holmes is the meanest but none of them can accurately be labelled as punchers imo.

By and large, a bigger man is a more durable man - but it depends on the man. The only truly durable heavyweight Usyk has faced imo is Chisora, and aside from an extremely brief wobble, he couldn't really put a dent in him. He's hurt Fury - so what? So did Cunningham and Pajkic. It's an impressive display, no doubt about it - but it's not an impressive feat of pure power - the barrage of follow ups that stopped Fury from recovering quickly was highly impressive, but not from a power perspective.

Joshua is literally known for not taking a punch well, despite his size. The absolute epitome of "your face ain't hench". And Usyk didn't even hurt him that bad. Far from the near stoppage it's made out to be.

Dubois has literally been stopped by a jab... twice. He's hardly bulletproof now, is he. Am I the only one who remembers him getting hurt so bad he took two knees in the first against Kevin Lerena?

None of these men have a better chin than say, the 205 Bonavena or the 198 Jim Braddock, or many others throughout history. The fact they were 40+ heavier is completely irrelevant when you take into account the specifics of their careers.

 

Am i the first to slap up the label..................."ESB Usyk"????? As great as he is I'm starting to get reminded of ESB Tua and the like. There's nothing ESB Usyk can't do, from having handspeed above that of Joe Louis, being a "puncher", and heavens knows what else.

 

Two generations of top fighters ... consisting of midgets and low skill cavemen. That said, I have no problem with people saying Ali had a good chin.

 

Don't forget that he's a southpaw. It's such a difference maker that if you've never faced another southpaw in your life, it's an automatic loss for you vs one in a fantasy match up. You could have faced and beaten the deepest and most diverse array of styles possible in your career. From short volume fighters, swarmers, tocrouchers, brawlers, long range technicians, to big technical Super Heavyweights. Some of them could have even been ATGs.

They were just never southpaws, so Usyk automatically beats you.

 

Usyk is being compared to two guys who are noted for being heavy on the skills and light on the power. Hitting harder than Holmes or Ali is something a great deal of heavyweights are able to do. There are no extravagant claims being made here.

 

Yeah guys we all remember 6'9 270 lbs David Price's granite chin.