PRIME Joe Louis vs PRIME Usyk (15 rounds)

American Football is the most popular sport on the planet, bar none. All comments to the contrary are born from feelings of inadequacy. It is the ultimate test of masculinity, bar none, and displays the true dominance and exceptionalism of the USA, as no other country was won either the SEC Championship or the Super Bowl.

 

The most popular sport is the most played and viewed sport.

That still remains football - real football, not soccer, but football. The numbers aren't even close.

I suspect that there's a bit of banter in your response?

 

AJ is amateurish but Galento and Baer are ****ing classic stylist. Ok

 

I'm not saying that. Joe was incredibly talented and was head and shoulders above his opponents for the most part. The sport is different though. Hell, it's different from when I fought in the 80's and 90's. Training, nutrition and amateur programs have evolved.

 

As predicted, insecurity rears its head. The more don't play the King of Sports is inadequacy. We have literally won every world championship in the sport that has ever been held. But this is off topic.

Joe Louis KO3.

 

Has American football changed in your opinion? Are todays athletes bigger, stronger, faster today than say the 1940's? Sammy Baugh was the best QB of the 40's. How would he do compared to today's top guys. Is it safe to say that football has evolved or is it like boxing where it's the same old same old like you say.

 

Haha, you're the only ones that play American Football.

Football is played on every continent bar Antartica - over 5 billion viewers for the last world cup. Probably not even 300 million for the World Championships of a sport only really taken seriously in one country.

 

I don't know who Sammy Baugh is - I know that elite talent transcends to any era. All that you have to do is hypothesise the same natural potential born in the respective era and give them access to the same nutrition, training and sports science of the time.

The football that we do around here is Saturday 3 pm kick off, Sunday league parents swearing at non-talented kids and referees that are failed footballers. I don't know the football you speak of.

 

Single Man to Man Combat sport can't be compared to Team Sports, completely different dynamics, sure many athletes are bigger & stronger today, not alway or necassarly better... 'Natural' Levels even with technology will always have their end point, that just can't be surpassed.

Boxing & Fighting is no more improved now than the Stylish & Athletic improvements that were already common place by the 1930s & 40s...

I have my own examples in Sport too - Golfers can Drive a Golf Ball 'further' today??? Well lets think about that.

Golf Balls themselves have been steadily improved since the 1980s and still, Golf Clubs too are now Hi-Tech engineered equipment, so these Machnical advances have FA to do with the Golfer. So lets apply 1 of 2 'EQUALIZERS' here.

Give today's Golfers, Golf Balls & Clubs from the 1920s, 40s, 60s & 70s then, lets see just 'how' far they are wacking Golf Balls...

or increase the Hole lengths to the % difference in hitting and see 'IF' they are Still Scoring the same???

Technical & Machanical advances are not the same as actual Human Improvement - Fighters, in Stylish Athleticism, have been basically the same for 80 or so years already - Living Colour isn't always different to Black & White life & living for dam near everything.

 

Again, the inadequacy that lies deep in the hearts of men from other nations when they see the exceptionalism of American Football and American Football Players and that they can not fathom testing their manhood against such measures, and having seen what passes for "sport" in these other nations, I can well understand.

 

So you don't see the difference between Jack Johnson's era and Louis's? What about 70's and 80's when every major city in America had boxing programs that developed guys like Leonard, Hearns etc. Today, you can see how the amateur programs in eastern Europe have produce GGG, Lomo and Uysk. I'm talking about the technical side of the sport. In Louis's era, southpaws were converted to conventional fighters. There guys today have been fighting southpaws all through the amateurs. You really think if you just through Louis in today he would be prepared for a guy like Uysk?

 

YEP!

as too, Johnson to Joe Louis' period, there was a huge shift, the Athlete had showed up by about the 1920s, Stylish Skillfull Slickters only added to the already existing Tough, Grind it Out Gritty Fighter, Brawler and very capable Prizefighters, making for a helluva refined combination of Boxers.

from those days till now, not much of a diff, with the exception of 17 Weight Divisions, ABC Belts & Sanctioning Bodies, Fighters fighting LESS, Less often, given literal MONTHS to drop 20 - 40lbs so they can fight in a division far below their Real Weight... Boxing has fell apart as far as I'm concerned.

Business manipulation still exists as it did in the past, but now Top Men won't meet each other and we are supposed to believe they are Real Champion's and All-Time Greats(???), with 15, 20 or 25 fights, with 1, 2 or 3 names on board.

I'm not having it... but for the Record there ARE Great Fighters, so lets have them be Made to Fight/Compete More, Mandatory Contender showdowns and Eliminators and Champions MUST Defend Twice in a Year or atleast once with 2 other Top Teir contests.

I mean FIGHT ffs if you call yourselves Fighters and prove you are Earned Champions and/or Among the best.

Not much to expect really, is it!

 

I will agree with you that not all changes have been for the best. There are way too many weightclasses and titles today and I'm conflicted on the 24 hr rehydration rules. The original intent was fighter safety but it's debatable if it has helped in that department, in fact, it's probably less safe to have guys cutting massive amounts of water weight. I will say from experience, guys today are far better athletes then when I fought in 80's and 90's.

Regarding the technical/tactical side of the sport, I see a huge difference between Johnson's era and Louis's era. Footwork/movement being the biggest difference. Louis and Uysk's eras, it's definitely the size/strength of current heavyweights but also southpaws. I can tell you from experience, fighting soutpaws is not something you just learn overnight.

 

Don’t put words in my mouth. They’re amateurish as well. Wilder like. What I was implying is modern isn’t always better and when you watch modern fighters (HW div) they rely solely on their power. To the point it’s embarrassing. Usyk is a skilled fighter who does everything right. Like Louis was a skilled fighter who did everything right.

 

Your opinion(s) are fully respected Steak.

I’ll just say that Louis was described as lightning fast in his day and I think the vision supports that description.

This is just one example of many (below) of just how fast Louis’ hands were and with KO power to go.

Though Joe’s a bit cheeky here, holding onto the ropes - though he releases his grip just prior to landing - a technical “out”?

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Just thought I’d add the KO of Lee Ramage also. Obviously the speed is it bit faster than real time - but still, don’t blink or you’ll miss it - lol.

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