This generation of heavies...does it simply suck?

It's not a great era for greatness but Usyk is the obvious exception.

 

Yes but on the other side, Ali was beating Sonny Liston for the world heavyweight champion at age 22 and 1 month.
Usyk was still losing in the semi finals at the amateur world championship tournament at that age.

 

What do you think the 1970s mixed with 2015-2025’s top ten HW’s would look like?

 

I’ve always seen Holmes as an 80s fighter he didn’t do that much in the 70s as in that “golden” period people bang on about with Ali, Frazier and Foreman he was just a contender “a guy” in the rankings but you can include him that’s up to you.

 

Chisora ain’t so bad he’s a 260lbs guy with punch stat numbers like Joe Frazier… he’s been a hard luck, gate keeper who basically gives everybody a bit of trouble and stylistically I think he matched Usyk very well but he still lost, people don’t give the 70s flack for Bonavena, Mildenberger and Cooper giving Ali a tougher fight then “ATG” George Foreman… seems like a sideways way of looking at things.

 

I remember, because I was watching. You know what else happened, apart from Usyk lighting him up for 3 rounds? Usyk took the most shots he has ever done in his career by a country mile, and staggered out of the fight with the thousand yard stare. Because nobody can slip an avalanche of heavy handed shots thrown from the elbow, which was what young Joyce was bringing. Before Zhang broke him, you NEEDED to be over a certain threshold on your bombs, or he would ignore them and destroy you, and Usyk was definitely not above that threshold. Almost no one was. 12 rounds, would have been.....messy, and interesting.

 

If Chisora had 1 loss, it would be a weak era. If he has 13 losses it means it's a strong era. When a dangerous, iron chinned, big hitting, resourceful,crafty, fighter like him is fringe, you know its a strong era. Remember Bert Cooper? That dangerous ******* was one of the army of guys which made the 90's a strong era, and Chisora is twice the fighter he is. Dangerous fringe guys is the meat of a strong era.

 

YES!
A decade ago, everything was different.
Fury and AJ; both beat Wlad; each in their own way...
Wilder was there somewhere, and young Olympians from Rio de Janeiro were also coming (Yoka, Hgrgović, Joyce, Dychko).
And then a total disappointment happened...
"Young hopes": Yoka, Hrgović, Joyce, Dychko, Jalolov, Sanchez,... nothing.
The 40-year-old Zgang had to appear as the "new" one to shake up HW.
AJ never recovered from underestimating Ruiz.
Fury exploited his lineal championship title to the max, and against Ngannou he embarrassed the boxing.
Usyk is really good, and to find out if he's "that good" he should have entered the HW 90s.
This HW era sucks...

 

He is, but just how good are these modern heavyweights? Yes, Fury, Joshua and to a lesser extend Dubois, were the best in the division but who did they beat? How would those 3 have faired in better heavyweight eras? The 70s for instance.

 

Cope

 

That's my opinion.


Legit ATG
Usyk

Working toward Significant legacies
Fury
Joshua
Dubois
Parker

Could have significant legacies but just starting to work towards it
Kabeyal
Wardley
Ituama
Torrez

Supporting cast
Chisora
Hrgovic
Zhang
Bakole
Ajagba
Miller
Okolie

Might get back into things, or might not, but still around
Wilder
Whyte
Hunter
Gassiev
Joyce
Ruiz

Might move up and join the fun from lower weight
Opetaia
Gadzhimagomedov

Could be in it if they fought more consistency
Jalolov
Dychko

A few other names worth throwing in
Sanchez
Lerena
Vianello
Riakporhe
Adeleye
Wallin
Huni
Pulev


I fail to see why we have all the cry babies.

 

It's very obvious if Fury, AJ and Usyk were Muricans we'd be hearing about their epic battles and how great this era was. We'd have Fury, AJ, Wilder, Usyk all with different styles and their own dramatic fights and comebacks and whatever.

The thing about Chisora is that although he's a gatekeeper in this era, he'd beat plenty of the 'old greats' and have a title before the K era. He was really stopped in his tracks during his prime by Vitali and Fury x 2, both top SHW's. Helenius also to a degree, regardless if people think it was a bad decision, it still was a pretty skilled SHW who made a competitive fight there. Other than that only Haye destroyed him and Haye back then was pretty dangerous, I mean he even rocked Valuev.