Do Crawford fans think Canelo is better than Hagler ?

Hagler didn't get the love and praise he deserved til he left the sport.

At 160.....Hagler washes Canelo 7 days a week..... But Canelo is obviously praised for his career more one because he is a Mexica boxer and that fan base is one of the more dominant in the sport, and also, Canelo is a marketing lottery ticket, so put a decent to great name in there with him and he gets ultimate kudos for his performance regardless of what goes on in the ring.

 

I think Hearns would give Bivol more problems than Canelo did, given that Canelo gave Bivol zero problems.

 

No
Hagler bhop toney mccallum beat canelo

 

Hagler beats em both.

 

Agree that ATG Marvelous ices both these guys, but maybe you weren't around for this?

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Huh? Not sure what this commercial has to do with my comment of him not getting credit until he left the sport.

And come on...I wasn't around during this time?......Stop it. I remember him having a pizza hut commercial as well if you want to search for that. Hell, I still have 'Virtual Weapon' and 'Indio 2' on VHS in my attic. 2 of his movies he co-starred in. Hagler was easily one of my top 5 favorite fighters.

 

Really? Profit motive, friend. If nobody liked or appreciated or know who Marvelous Marvin Hagler was, you think he'd have been getting major commercials? I'm a huge fan so maybe even that wasn't enough. I could go with that. But objectively, if we're more or less of an age, he was a big sports star with the endorsements. So how did he not get his props before he bailed to Italy to pursue an acting career?

 

So your comprehension has you believing that because he had a couple commercials then he got the respect that he deserved?........ Wow. That is the silliest logic I've come across in regards to the value of a boxer.

How many Tank Davis commercials have circulated during his career. How many Canelo commercials have circulated during his career. Hell, I can only remember an ESPN & an AT&T commercial that circulated with Floyd Mayweather.

Doing commercials is not the same as getting the value you deserve within your sport. If you are a fan of boxing you would understand it's a community from the participants, to the fans, to the individuals who work around it. Hagler was respected as a top fighter, but he wasn't considered a "great" in the nature he is today until he retired and walked off into the sunset. The '4 Kings' term wasn't even a norm to describe Hagler, Hearns, Duran, & Sugar until the 90s well after Hagler retired and multiple retirement and comebacks of the other 3.

Marvin was under appreciated greatly during his reign. He even legally changed his name to Marvelous Marvin Hagler due to the fact that announcers wouldn't say it when introducing him before competitions, yet, Hitman was often used for Hearns, Sugar was used for Leonard. And multiple other fighters. He discussed this in interviews about not getting his just due. Look at how long it took him to get the Leonard fight. There was even a rumor that a specific sparring partner didn't want to join his camp due to the fact he was preparing to fight Leonard (or maybe it was Hearns), regardless of the fact that sparring partner was a regular with Hagler's camp.

It's always easier to use hindsight with events, but some of us remember in the moment the reality we experienced in those events. Marvelous Marving Hagler was one of the most under appreciated greats in the history of the sport.

 

If not for the Hearns win, there's not a win on his resume that would be considered special if it was on Canelo's resume.

 

tldr XD

 

I disagree with this idea that a boxer does something more than another boxer because he won the world title in more than one weight class (it depends on which opponent he defeats to win the title). We're in the era of four world titles, it's not hard to find a weak title champion to beat, just like Canelo did when he won the light heavyweight world title against a faded Kovalev. When the Mexican fought Bivol, it was a whole different story. In the super middleweight division Canelo ducked Benavidez, and instead of Scull and Crawford, there were three contenders who deserved a world title shot: Mbilli, Pacheco, and Iglesias. This isn't to take away Canelo's credit, because the Mexican has some solid wins under his belt (mainly Jacobs and Trout), but in my opinion, he hadn't won against Lara and GGG 1 and 2. For me, the difference between Canelo and Hagler is the difference between a champion and a great champion (The Marvelous).

 

Thus the reason your comprehension struggles exist. Too many words causes you to give up on logic and reality. You should find another public school struggling poster to have a conversation with then.

 

1. There was no SMW division (a number of MW's had the size and breadth equal to todays SMW giants, and Hagler beat them).
2. There really wasn't a JMW division worth mentioning (Hagler was fit enough that he actually could've competed there had he wanted but there was no point).

Also it should be stated that there's like 4+ fighters Hagler beat (and even lost to but avenged and or fought close) and probably 7 or more MW's in the 70s that never won world titles that I think would run through everyone currently at MW or SMW including Canelo and would definitely have picked up a title in this modern day.

No Canelo is not a greater fighter overall than Hagler, and no Canelo is not a greater MW. And this is no disrespect to him as he's a HOF'er first ballot. The 70s middle division was one of the most brutal gauntlets ever, because it included for the most part would be elite JMW's (Hagler, Briscoe, Ronnie Harris for ex.) and would be elite SMWs (Monroe, Watts, Seals for example). They all had no choice but to fight each other, in the same division. Note again other than Hagler, I only mentioned guys that never won titles, I'm leaving guys out. That division was hell

I'm a Crawford fan, if his fanatics are touting this position that Canelo is in any way shape or form better than Hagler, they're being silly

 

Bivol is the kind of fighter that Hearns would thrive against. As he climbed in weight he became much more vulnerable against the hard hitting sluggers, but was still very difficult for boxers (Hill). Not saying Hearns would beat Bivol, but he would look much better against him than against Beterbiev or Benavidez.

As for Hagler and Canelo, do they meet with same day weigh-in or the day before? 15 rds or 12? And at MW or another weight? On the one hand you can say that Canelo fades late in fights, which is bad news against someone like Hagler who could step on the gas in rd 13, which Canelo hasn't even been to, but on the other you can say that crafty counter punchers could bring down the tempo and trouble Hagler.

For me Canelo probably had his best years at 168 when he unfied the belts, coming into the ring at around 180 lbs. That version would probably be a wreck if he had to make 160 with the same day weigh-in, though. Hagler would on the other hand give up a lot of size if the fight was held at 168 or 175 with the weigh-in the day before.