Something I'm noticing about Holyfield's title defenses compared to Bowe and Lewis'

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  1. slash

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    A lot of people have an axe to grind with Holyfield because he proved head to head the superior boxer over Tyson, which they never dreamed possible. Too bad Tyson wanted out.. there was another KO coming up.

    Only two unified champions in cruiserweight history: Holyfield, Usyk.
    That really does say something.
     
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  2. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Bowe fought JLG, Hide, Donald, and Golota. He was obviously taking high risk: low reward fights at that point in his career.

    Tyson didn't actually need to fight Ruddock in order to get a title shot. He did it anyway, twice. He was the face of boxing and didn't really even need a title at that point to be the man. He fought the best available for his entire reign. No Beans, Coopers, or men in their forties. There is no comparison.

    Holyfield started defending in 91. Mercer beat Cooper in 90, Damiani in January of 91, and Morrison in October of 91. I don't think he was the one holding up a shot at Holyfield.

    I can't think of any title defenses of Tyson made that were on the level of the level of Cooper and Bean. Between Lewis and Wlad, I guess Leapai, Phil Jackson, and that tall guy with the big jaw left something to be desired out of 30+ fights. Bowe did fight crap when he matched against Dokes and Ferguson, but stepped it up later.

    Holyfield almost had a cherry pick gone wrong against Ruiz. That doesn't raise his standing. Usyk and the K-bros maintained a much higher level at a similar age.
     
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  3. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't know why you're so fixated on single names.

    Yes Holyfield fought a few soft touches like Bean but during this period he was also fighting Tyson, Moorer, Lewis, so it's irrelevant in the end because the other opponents were so good.

    It's an issue if someone is consistently choosing easier opponents like Holmes did towards the end of reign.

    But I don't see an issue with the odd easier defence aslong as the right fights get made in the end which they did for Holyfield.
     
  4. drenlou

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    He was going to fight Akinwande as well, before Henry caught Hep.
     
  5. janitor

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    If you wanted to flip that argument on its head, then you would take a deeper dive on Holyfield's longevity, and number of fights against ranked contenders.
     
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  6. NoNeck

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    The point of thread is that if you put a belt on Holyfield's waist, his wins came against old guys and soft touches except for Tyson, who he had to rematch, and Moorer, who was an easy unification and just barely better than a soft touch.
     
  7. slash

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    He was all ready to KO Tyson before Buster Douglas flipped the script.
     
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  8. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I wouldn't class a top 4 ranked 39-1 tricky Southpaw as a "soft touch" or an "easy unification".
     
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  9. NoNeck

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    Holyfield, by losing to Moorer, set off the worst three man sequence of lineage in heavyweight history. Thankfully, Lewis took it from them.
     
  10. NoNeck

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    Reading comprehension. Holyfield wasn't a champion back then.
     
  11. Pepsi Dioxide

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    Holyfield has one of the best resumes of all time, so what if he didn't win them all. I don't ever recall him backing down from anyone.

    Lewis IMO has better title defenses and wins than both.

    Bowe has a weak resume compared to Holyfield but acknowledged his wins over Gonzalez, Hide, Donald didn't pan out as well as they could have. His management was trying to take the path of least resistance for title fights with Dokes and Ferguson and Newman at the time was also trying to get a defense against of all people Mitch Green.

    Also I feel like Holyfields title defenses need a little context like other posters have been saying. Foreman was ranked I believe and a big money fight, Cooper was not only a sub for Damiani, Damiani was a sub for Mike Tyson so not horrible on a week or so notice. Holmes best Mercer.
     
  12. NoNeck

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    What do Ruiz and Moorer have in common?

    Both beat Holyfield and both got starched in seconds by Tua, Evander’s sparring partner who missed the phone call that Vaughn Bean answered.
     
  13. Dynamicpuncher

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    That has nothing to do with your original statement suggesting Moorer was a a soft touch or an easy unification.

    In what world is a 39-1 top 4 ranked tricky Southpaw considered easy ? Simple answer it isn't so that's factually incorrect and that's you reaching to further your point which doesn't actually work in this case.
     
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  14. slash

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    He would have been if he had got to Tyson in 90/91. Comprehend that.

    And NABF heavyweight champion (vs Dokes) meant more than WBO back then.
     
  15. NoNeck

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    Wouldn’t