the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

In the 11th, Nelson did land a left hook that clearly bothered Sanchez, who fell back into the ropes. Only time I’ve ever seen Sanchez hurt by a punch.

 

I am not sure which one you mean - there are two separate big left hooks that Nelson lands cleanly. But a fair point. The left hook Nelson landed after he himself got off-balance on the corner did seem to buckle Sanchez a bit. But it's like the Hearrns right on Hagler. It's difficult to tell how much in trouble Sanchez was, and I don't think he was in danger of going down.

 

Sanchez was iron chinned. Beat Lopez (twice),Wilfredo Gomez, Laporte and Nelson without going down. Oddly enough was wobbled badly (2nd round) versus unknown Rosalio Badillo.

Sanchez would lose his next fight (Mexican Bantam title) and actually floored and held to a draw soon after so maybe weight problems were the reason:

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Found my old scorecard…….Sanchez-Nelson.

 

Thank you for that tape. Not only have I not seen that tape, but I've never seen any tape of the bantamweight version of Sanchez (and boy, there is a lot of difference!). Is the Becerra fight somewhere online as well?

 

Thanks! So I gave him 1 more round than you did. There were some rounds that could have gone either way, but for me the effect of punches seemed so dramatically different - with Nelson doing some sort of odd break-dancing after getting hit, and Sanchez walking through shots.

 

Unfortunately I´ve never seen the Becerra fight on any lists. There are a few early Sanchez fights out there. I know his Fel Clemente was filmed because they show a very brief clip before Sanchez´s 1st World tite fight. Here are some early Salvador fights. Enjoy:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pNxoR6bR1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq-JKdxngJQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFsLcftlnY4

 

Michael Dokes W10 Randall "Tex" Cobb (1)

Thought I'd give this one a go. It's a decent little heavyweight scrap, and Dokes could well have lost this one had Cobb been not so completely one-dimensional and so painfully slow. Dokes flashes very fast hands, no getting around that, but his legs are made of wood; his footwork in no way matches his handspeed, which is kind of odd. I'd seen this in him before of course, but here, even early-ish in his career, he just doesn't have any legs.

Cobb, conversely, is teak-tough and never stops coming forward, despite getting peppered by light but speedy combos throughout. Dokes looks like he's putting a lot on many of his shots, but while speedy they have no snap in them. I can see why he had his doubters. A complete fighter he is not.

Cobb's jab serves him well here. He has very long arms and the jab is a ramrod, with a good amount of thudding power behind it. He chases Dokes relentlessly, but his follow-up right is so slow that Dokes is only tagged meanigfully a handful of times. Dokes should be moving side-to-side, but again, no legs. He therefore eats more jabs from Cobb than he should, as he backs straight up when evading. Cobb tries to close the distance, but he's the taller, rangier fighter here so it seems odd for him to want the trench warfare, where Michael's handspeed makes the difference. He's not terribly good once he DOES get inside either. Pitiable left hook, not enough activity. He's just too limited to pose much of a threat from either the inside or outside, that's really the story here.

Still, he makes Dokes work. Dokes looks exhausted at the end, having slumped a bit in the late-middle rounds only to rebound and outflurry Cobb late. It's a solid contest, with Cobb's doggedness and Dokes' mid-rounds swoon giving him a couple rounds, but the Ohio native won this without question. Just too fast, too many flurries.

1. Even
2. Dokes
3. Dokes
4. Dokes
5. Dokes
6. Cobb
7. Cobb
8. Dokes
9. Dokes
10. Dokes

98-93 Dokes. I had it wider than the judges, one of whom had it a draw somehow. The other had Dokes by two and the third judge had Dokes by three. They were generous to Cobb, I think.

 

Awesome - thanks so much!

 

Jose Torres W15 Eddie Cotton

I'd read widely that this was a robbery and that Torres was extrememly lucky to get out of Vegas with his title intact. As a bit of a detractor of Torres, I was prepared to buy into that. I never liked his style, and always thought that he had connections that kept him protected, and I hate that in a fighter. He's far too economical with his punches, operating as if he knows he's going to win no matter what. That's irrational as hell, but that's my bias. So be it.

And let's face it; Cotton is 40 years old here. The underdog's Underdog. That's always going to pull at the heartstrings. You want a guy like that to succeed. Plus, he's guided by George Chemeres of Seattle (my hometown), who also brought along Greg Haugen later. My dad, though not a pure fight fan, had the great memory of seeing Archie Moore decision Eddie Cotton in Seattle. He remembered distinctly that after the fight, Moore carefully combed his hair as he made his way back to the dressing room. Odd what one recalls.

But as to this fight, it was entertaining enough, and Cotton put up a spirited effort, but I don't see all the hubbub about a robbery. Despite my antipathy and really WANTING Cotton to justify my bias, I saw it for Torres. Close fight, but I see no wrongdoing here.

Torres starts off aggressively and well, winging overhand rights and sharp left hooks while Cotton jabs somewhat tentatively and counters with right uppercuts to the midsection, which he would bank on all night long. Torres's ribcage had to be killing him after this one. Torres arsenal lacks flow, however; he jumps in (being a smallish LHW) and launches three or four good shots with some sting in them but then has to either grapple or back away and start again, unlike Tyson, who fought in a similar style. You can do that when you're Iron Mike. The power makes it pay off. Torres does not have that gift of paralyzing, fight-equalling power. He has stinging punches, but nothing terribly dramatic. And Torres seems very conscious of not expending too much energy, which is maddening and limits his effectiveness.

Torres decelerates as the blood flow from his nose continues, and Cotton develops a rhythm. slicing through with right hands and jabs and that omnipresent right uppercut to the body when in close. He pulls close on the cards but doesn't ever quite take command. Torres has more dramatic flurries and catches the eye more, and in general seems to land the harder, more meaningful shots.

Had Cotton won the 15th, I'd have had this a draw, but Torres seemed to understand he really needed it and went to work, clearly winning the stanza. On my card and presumably on one official ledger, this won him the fight. The decision was unanimous and I believe just, but for such a supposed young tiger going up against a 175-pound Methusela, the result had to eat at Torres a bit.

1. Torres
2. Torres
3. Torres
4. Torres
5. Cotton
6. Cotton
7. Cotton
8. Torres
9. Torres
10. Even
11. Torres
12. Cotton
13. Cotton
14. Cotton
15. Torres

144-142 Torres.

 

Aaaaaand I now see I did this very fight a couple years ago. **** it, at least I had the same score. Even if a couple rounds were different.

 

Sal, I've done this myself a couple of times, Blame it on the fact that we've watched so many fights that a couple slip through the net. I've literally gotten in the habit of using the search engine on this particular thread with a fighter's name to see if I posted anything on him.

 

I’m getting senile.

 

I’m relatively sure I hadn’t seen Dokes-Cobb before though. Relatively.

 

Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Jose Luis Castillo 1

1 Mayweather
2 Mayweather
3 Mayweather
4 Mayweather
5 Mayweather
6 Castillo
7 Castillo
8 Mayweather 10-8 point deduction
9 Castillo
10 Castillo 10-8 point deduction
11 Mayweather
12 Castillo

114-112 Mayweather

Overrated as a bad decision IMO.

Mayweather clearly won the first 5 rounds as Castillo did very little.

Castillo did considerably better in the 2nd half landing some good body shots and catching Mayweather with some clean right hands but Mayweather was still able to nick some rounds.

When the fight started to get close coming into championship rounds Mayweather stood toe to toe in the 11th round winning the round with the cleaner more eye catching punches that for me won him the fight IMO.