Rank them by punching power

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  1. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is it,,,,
     
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  2. JL Fighter

    JL Fighter Boxing Addict Full Member

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  3. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Usyk and Evan Fields might have similar power, but Holyfield would be a little less.
    Ali and Holmes, just LOL.
    No.
    Usyk has more power than them. No way they are KO'ing Dubious and almost KO'ing Fury.
     
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  4. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    This makes no sense.

    Dubois would get stopped by both Ali and Holmes. The guy who was stopped off a jab would certainly be stopped of a Holmes or Ali right hand.

    Fury does not have a great chin and has been dropped numerous times.

    Again, let's actually look at Usyk's cruiserweight opponents. At cruiser, he fought guys similar size to what Ali and Holmes fought. At cruiser, which durable fighter did he tko? None.

    Ali stopped Foreman, Bonavena and Liston - 3 guys never stopped before. And he is one of the 2 guys to stop Lyle in his prime.

    The idea that Ali and Holmes couldn't tko Fury is based on nothing other than a false idea that bigger = more durable which simply isn't true.

    I wouldn't laugh at Ali or Holmes's power. Against similar size opponents to what Usyk has fought at cruiser, they demonstrated greater power so that would be applicable if they fought bigger men.
     
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  5. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Here is how i would rank their power:

    Best lead hook amongst the group: Holyfield
    Best backhand uppercut: Holmes
    Most powerful combination puncher: Ali
    Most powerful backhand: Ali or Usyk if we are being nice

    Ultimately, you need to look at the fact that Ali stopped more durable fighters than the others did and Holyfield dropped more durable fighters than the others did.
     
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  6. Serge

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  7. BCS8

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    Probably Holyfield and then Usyk / Holmes. Ali in last place.
     
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  8. Arch Stanton

    Arch Stanton When you have to shoot, shoot!, don't talk...... Full Member

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    ^ this.

    Maybe the jab, and actual body shot 'usage' comparison differences could be wider....


    Did Ali ever throw body shots?????



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  9. Serge

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    In addition to Usyk fighting opponents roughly his size at CW and much or way bigger at HW, there is no filler on his CW since he moved up to the world level sans Witherspoon. Everyone he's fought was either a reigning world champion, former champ, or top contender. He stopped all 9 of his lower level opponents prior to moving up to the world level vs Glowacki

    Usyk is 16-0-0 (12 KOs) at CW and 3 of the 4 fighters who took him the distance are very durable and have never been knocked down (Briedis, Gassiev, Hunter), let alone stopped, sans the technical KD Usyk scored against Hunter when the ref deemed the ropes keep him from going down

    I've never even see Briedis hurt other than when he backed off in pain after Opetaia shattered his nostrils with a beautiful uppercut

    And Usyk boxed to orders vs Gassiev and Glowacki and never really tried to get either out of there

    All of Usyk's finishes in his pre-title winning fights at CW

    One thing you'll notice is he used to whip his punches in more, throw beautiful scything uppercuts with both hands, throw more counter shot finishes like he did vs Dubois, and was a lot faster and more accurate with his combos. And he was also wearing different gloves back then not the Rival ones.

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    And obviously when you **** Usyk off or disrespect him you get a meaner much more spiteful version of him who wants to punish you

    Look at the expression on his face here at the 0:25 mark when Dubois crashed his post-fight interview. He doesn't look visibly angry but you can see he's cleanly thinking I'm going to punish this clown next time

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  11. Serge

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    Ali's weights vs the respective weights of his opponents


    As you can see he was very often the bigger or much bigger man. If Usyk was often fighting guys he was bigger or much bigger than his power would obviously be more of a factor


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    190-184
    192-181
    194-225
    192-189
    188-210
    193-205
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    205-214
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    207-185
    210-218
    206-215
    210-196
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    204-195
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    211-202
    213-197
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    218-188
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    212-205
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    224-215
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  12. MaccaveliMacc

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    I don't think a KO% alone is a good indicator of punching power. Vitali has higher KO% than Wlad, but everybody and their momma knows Wlad hit harder.
     
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  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    People say Dubois doesn't have a good chin but he voluntarily took a knee vs Big Joe Joyce due to the eye injury and he voluntarily took a knee for at least 2 of the 3 KDs he suffered against Lerena due to the torn ACL and it's debatable if the first KD was even a legit KD too because I'm not even sure that left cross landed. That was the exact moment when he tore his ACL and even if the shot did land the other 2 KDs were due to the injury

    The only fighter to legit drop Dubois is Usyk sans possibly the first KD vs Lerena but we also know he tore his ACL at the point

    I've been telling everyone for ages that Hrgovic is not a massive puncher but let's not act like he can't punch. He does hit pretty hard and he caught Dubois flush repeatedly and couldn't put him over. AJ, Miller, and Big Joe Joyce couldn't either. Moses Itauma who is very powerful and fast and has sparred Dubois many rounds said Dubois has a good chin too

    No one has ever hurt Dave Allen like this. Allen has a great set of whiskers and he said he has no recollection of the rest of that spar. Usyk hurt him so badly he lost his memory for 30 minutes

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  14. rolzone

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    I find these questions hard to answer because there are too many variables. No two punches thrown by the same person in quick succession are exactly the same much less over time and across different opponents. How a punch looks or sound may tell a different story from its impact, which can vary depending on who and where it hits. Some people focus more on precision and placement even though they are capable of delivering much more in terms of raw power and may even have more of an effect against same opponent relative to someone with more raw power. So a hard one for unless you are significantly qualifying what you are trying to measure.
     
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  15. Absolutely!

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    Holyfield had the mustard, boy did he have pop when he got smoking. Ped creation of course but if you're gonna rank em he'd be at the top.

    Ali had lots of pop as well, got some real spite on his shots when he wanted to. Not that shoeshine stuff but the Cleveland Williams combos where he's doing the angry chipmunk face as he's punching.

    Holmes and Usyk are about equal. Holmes looks a bit harder puncher but Usyk got some sneaky power with his timing and accuracy on that chopping left shot, the Igor or whatever it's called.
     
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