How would you ATG rank Fury, AJ, and Wilder RIGHT NOW?

It did, we all ranked him number 1, you included.

 

Not everyone. And he never established superiority over his rivals which is what matters the most. There was no universal consensus that joshua was the best heavyweight, he just had a big fanbase. You claim no one thought Wilder and Fury were better but this is blatantly and completely false. It's revisionism

 

I think Itauma is better than AJ, i womt rank Itauma above AJ.

You ranked AJ number 1, so did all of us.

 

Yet plenty thought Wilder was better including my brother. There was no consensus that aj was the best heavyweight this is a fact, especially when Wilder got rid of Breazeale 7 times faster.

Aj never fought Fury or Wilder to prove his legitimacy. Any #1 ranking was all hype and no substance

 

Doesnt matter, because it doesnt change how they were ranked and thats AJ as 1, Wilder as 2.

That's how you saw it, that's how we all saw it.

 

"We all" looks like a dogwhisle. You can't claim everyone saw it that way when past threads and discussions on the topic prove you wrong. Many thought Wilder and Fury were better, and it's a fine opinion considering joshua never actually fought his main rivals

 

Great post.

I'd go the other way on AJ and Fury - Joshua probably around 25-30, Fury more like 30-40.

My reasoning is probably, mostly, because I place more weight on resume and desire to fight the best...
Fury did well against Usyk, and did well to beat Wlad but the lack of willingness to rematch it does take a shine off it (especially seeing how desperately keen he is to rematch Usyk), as does the fact it was an awful bout to watch, defined more by a refusal to properly engage than by skill, IQ or physical dominance - the problem is his record falls off a cliff after that.

The peaks with Fury are maybe a tiny bit higher, it's just that they stand far more isolated than Joshua's.

Dare I say it, the manner of their respective defeats to Usyk probably do more to make any argument Fury was better than their Wlad bouts - but even then it's just two opponents.

I also have to deduct something from Fury for wasting his prime and getting busted with peds - we might never know for certain if Joshua used them (speculation is not certainty) but it will forever be part of the historical record that Fury was undeniably a drugs cheat.



Wilder just doesn't score anywhere for me - like you, I'd have him lower top ten for the era purely for never beating a contender in his whole career, heck I can see better arguments for putting him outside the ten than inside the 5. The closest he came was Ortiz, who was old and declined to the point that if he was ever a contender, he realistically wasn't by that point - on top of that, Ortiz probably should've won the first by KO.
If he's top 100 all time he'd be lucky, as you say.