Most impressive 6 fight streak at HW? (H2H factored) Is it Usyk? (Read OP)

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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Those claims that Foreman was a groomer must be subliminally affecting you.
     
  2. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Seems like you guys are talking over each other. NoNeck is talking about how good the opponents Usyk beat where H2H. You guys are talking about how good the opponents your respective picks beat resume wise or their P4P ranking. Two different things leading to confusion and your inability to agree with each other. End of the day main question here: is it more impressive beating better H2H fighters or fighters who are ranked higher either P4P or division wise.
     
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  3. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is funny, coming from you - the guy who has an entire apartment block in their head, where many a Classic Poster lives, rent-free...
     
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  4. Dynamicpuncher

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    I don't agree with you i'm sorry beating 6 world class opponents is objectively better than beating 3 world class opponents. And if we're being honest Dubois was not considered world class in the 1st fight with Usyk he was not ranked in the top 10 with 0 experience at world level.

    Fury is certainly not top 15.

    H2H above 88 Holmes easily ? Holmes went on to school a prime Mercer and win 4 or 5 rounds against a peak Holyfield. What's Fury done in recent years in regards to wins that makes him easily above Holmes H2H ? he won't even come out of retirement and fight a past it Joshua.

    Tyson stopped 5 out of his 6 opponents who were all former or current world champions and 2 of them are considered ATG's Spinks, Holmes.

    Usyk has stopped 2 out of his 6 opponents.

    Not to mention Tyson against those 6 opponents probably lost a combined 5 rounds in total.

    Where as Usyk lost about 15 rounds overall.

    So not only was Tyson way more impressive/decisive in his wins he's beaten more world class fighters and 2 of the fighters in Spinks, Holmes, who would be way above Joshua, Fury, in all time rankings.

    So in my opinion for Tyson's more varied vast world class opponents with the fact two of those opponents are considered ATG's. Add to the fact Tyson was more impressive/decisive in his wins i think objectively Tyson's run is better.
     
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  5. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Funny from you, the guy that blocks anyone calling out your AI slop posts
     
  6. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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    To be fair Uysk was age 34-38 though. I think that matters to a extent.
     
  7. Dynamicpuncher

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    Yes that's also true and that adds to Usyk's resume beating good fighters whilst past his prime.

    But I still like the more varied vast opponents of Tyson's win streak.
     
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  8. themaster458

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    It depends on the quality of opponents. Foster had more title defenses and wins over world class opponents then Spinks but most people have Spinks above him afaik. I think there's a strong argument here that Usyk beat better opponents at the time then Tyson did. Spinks was pretty much done at that point because of his knees and clearly was scared in the fight itself, Holmes was out of shape and don't think he trained much for the fight hence why he gassed after 4 rounds. Rest of the wins while good I wouldn't consider great nor would I consider them on par with Joshua or Fury tbh, probably on the same level of Dubois though I would say none of them were as dangerous as him. Also keep in mind both Fury and Joshua looked very good against Usyk in their fight which I think also has to be taken into consideration. But overall opinions might vary just giving you my perspective.
     
  9. NoNeck

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    It says everything that you had to start talking about ko’s like Usyk is a power puncher.

    Mercer is just a Dubois class opponent if not Whyte.
     
  10. NoNeck

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    They all fought all Ali impersonators.

    Usyk beat the varied opponents. Joshua was a by the book rangy boxer, Fury was a towering slick natural, and Dubois was an aggro strongman.
     
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  11. Man_Machine

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    This, of course, should be taken into consideration, along with other factors that provide fight-context.

    However, Usyk was born in '87, Fury in '88 and Joshua in '89.

    There's not a lot between those three, with Dubois representing the relative youth here.

    I would go further and suggest that Fury, in particular, has not aged well at all, and his advanced ring age, I think, was becoming clear in the bouts leading up to the first Usyk bout.

    So, how much of a factor is it?

    Or could such a inquiry lead to questioning the broader quality of these contests in general?
     
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  12. ThatOne

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    Why does Tyson Fury wear his trunks so high?
     
  13. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I meant as in Mike was closer to his best.

    But I agree Fury was also past his physical prime as well people have brought up Fury's lifestyle out the ring also that's been a topic multiple times.
     
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  14. META5

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    Haven't bothered to research but I'd hazard a guess that Jack Johnson has a decent run - before he was world champion when he was fighting good Black and White fighters.
     
  15. The Long Count

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    What about Harry Wills

    he has a couple of runs on his resume

    Jeff Clark
    Sam Mcvey
    Sam Langford
    Sam Langford
    Sam Mcvey
    Jeff Clark

    Six fights 3 opponents.
    Or about a year later

    John Lester Johnson
    Sam Langford
    Jeff Clark
    Sam Langford
    Joe Jeannette
    Sam Langford