Most impressive 6 fight streak at HW? (H2H factored) Is it Usyk? (Read OP)

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  1. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    What uptick?? Aside from Bugner, literally all of his fights were rematches against more declined versions of those fighters.
    Bugner???!!!! Ellis and Quarry were both much much better than Bugner.
    Where are you going with this? I know you're not trying to argue, the legally blind, shot, fat blob of a shell, wasn't in his prime? And he didn't look "better" at all. The only reason Foreman didn't take him out quicker was because he was trying to pace himself. That version of Frazier doesn't escape the first round of Jamaica.
    Better than what? Their second fight? I agree but it's clear as ****ing day he couldn't evade blows as well as he used to, and a large part of the reason he looked so good was because Ali didn't train as hard as he could've and came in overweight himself.
    I’ve already gone over this — by the time Frazier fought Ellis again, Ellis had been out of the rankings for a while, was clearly a shell of his former self, and it was his second-to-last fight. He'd been blasted out in one round by Shavers two years earlier. And yet, Frazier still took twice as long to stop that version of Ellis compared to how quickly he took out a prime version.

    Quarry himself was on the slide, and would himself retire after 2 more fights?

    What does that have to do with anything? Are you seriously suggesting that Frazier only looked worse in the rematch because Ali tends to perform better in second fights? Alright then — did Ali’s supposed rematch magic also affect how Frazier looked against Stander and Daniels?

    I have no idea where the **** you're going with this. You’re saying the fights took so much out of him that he couldn’t handle the wars anymore and ended up retiring — but somehow that doesn’t count as declining in the ring? If the damage was bad enough to push him out of the sport, then yes, obviously, he declined as a fighter. You can’t separate the physical toll from performance like that — it’s nonsense.
     
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  2. Pat M

    Pat M Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Excellent post. Too bad there wasn't somebody around like Paul when Joe Louis was broke. Most boxing fans are quick to criticize a guy for fighting Paul, but when an athlete is older and broke, fighting a Jake Paul is about as low risk and high reward as it gets. I didn't see Tyson - Paul, but from what I've read Tyson didn't get hurt and he made a lot of money. For the people who paid for it, as P.T. Barnum said, "there's a sucker born every minute." If you paid for it and want to feel better, think of your money as a contribution to Tyson's retirement.
     
  3. NoNeck

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    He paved the way for Mayweather to ko1 that one Japanese guy.
     
  4. NoNeck

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    It’s not just the guys he wheels out; he turned Amanda Serrano into a millionaire several times over from someone who struggled to pay the bills from boxing.
     
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  5. JohnThomas1

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    You, you mean skill and ability actually matters?!?!?!?!?!!? :eek:
     
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  6. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder was never actually the champ…ever. Fake alphabet titles don’t count. Secondly Foreman is far more skilled than Wilder ever was. Not even close.
     
  7. NoNeck

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    He was number 1 in the division and a champion after Joshua lost to Ruiz. Deal w it.
     
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  8. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Was never the champ. Only one real champ at a time and wilder never beat the guy. He barely has any wins against top ten ranked men. What is it 2? That’s pathetic.
     
  9. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's a revelation, I know! :lol:
     
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  10. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A very specific, Usyk-championing criteria. It is, of course, a nice run.

    I suspect Joshua and Dubois won't be remembered favourably. Fury obviously had a lot of substance. Don't know what to make of Joshua post Ruiz I. Tried to box at range, some nice counters, but too stiff/hittable. Dubois is, clearly, mentally weak at world level.

    Mike had a great run. Dempsey had a nice mix of styles as well, from Willard to Gibbons to Firpo.

    The H2H stuff is totally subjective. It can't factor into greatness.
     
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  12. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Barrios is a bandit robber - Psalm 144:1 Full Member

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    B-but Francis Ngannou, if Francis beat a good version of Fury then Whyte, Wlad, Wilder and even Chisora… other life time boxers… should’ve dispatched of him easily right? But they didn’t and he went on to give the #1 guy his toughest bout, bad night, clearly he thought what we all did that it was a side show, it was going to be easy and not worth showing up for… apparently Francis wasn’t bad and tried very hard and put serious work in the credit should go to FN for being a savant opposed to “Fury Bad” for giving a champ who turned his nose up a run for his money.
     
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  13. Journeyman92

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    You don’t think a 240lbs southpaw who was a very good pro with a punch couldn’t take out a shot Frazier or Ken Norton?
     
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  14. Journeyman92

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    Wilder does not hit harder… that’s a fact? You have some evidence? Or??? Luis Ortiz H2H is better than Ken Norton.
     
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  15. Journeyman92

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    There is no proof Foreman had stamina issues… Frazier 2, Young, Ali 1, Peralta and Lyle… 80s-90s GF fought in a completely different way.
     
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