Joe Frazier Versus Tyson Fury

So who did Mathis knock out?

 

70% of the men he beat, most being tin cans but he had enough to get early stoppages with some level of consistency to indicate there was at least some power there. I certainly doubt Mathis had comparable power to someone like Cooney but I don’t think getting hit clean by Mathis felt like nothing either.

 

Thought so.

 

Thought what? You haven’t proven that the 248 pound pre-Stewart Fury hit on a different level compared to Mathis, the power of both men shined against cans as a bigger man with mediocre power usually would.

 

Yet Ali wasnt man or skilled enough to KO Frazier but flabby tits Tyson is?? Fury the man so skilled he uppercutted himself in the nose??


The bullspit made about Tyson Fury beating this and that ATG based on beating a washed Wlad in a stinker and a hype job like Wilder is incredible.

 

Imagine Frazier going to the body as he uppercuts himself

 

If you want to indict Ali as not being all the mythology makes him I won't stand in your way. Go ahead. You have a good point though it might not be one you intended to make.

 

Só Ali wasn’t that good?

I’ve seen you yourself call Frazier’s FOTC win the single greatest victory in the divisions history numerous times.

Are you walking that grand statement back now since you’re now saying Ali wasn’t all that?

Fury-Wilder 3>>>>>FOTC is it? At least be consistent and I might take your opinions more seriously.

 

Fury wins, he would just box Frazier and then clinch to defuse him. It's a more boring fight than people think. Frazier is leagues above Chisora but he's smaller and it goes the same way, as much as i hate to say it

 

Mathis was 6’3 and obese, Fury was in shape when he was 248 lbs. Fury of the Klitschko match and Mathis of the Frazier match also had the exact same KO ratio, but Fury fought against much bigger and better opponents.

I do recall slick Fury using the uppercut and fighting on the inside against Chisora and Christian Hammer at times, I think he always had those skills, just used them less because he was much harder to deal with when he was on the move. I think he’d frustrate Frazier on the inside just fine.

 

I know that people think height and weight stop mattering when the word "Heavyweight" appears, but the 5'11, 205lbs Frazier who got his ass whooped the worst when facing a physically strong mauler, isn't beating the 6'8, 270lbs mauling Fury from Wilder 2. Frazier would just get Foreman'd, by Fury. Fury wouldn't knock him down as often obviously but he would manhandle the ever loving **** out of him on a way to a decision I think.

And before one of you pussies complains it doesn't mean that Fury is better than Frazier (even in terms of H2H ability Fury is overrated), just that he's a horrible match up.

 

'When' being the key here. Fury is going to have to sit down on his punches an awful lot more than he usually does if he wants to try and discourage Joe. And if he does so, he becomes a more static target for Joe's left hook.

And when did Joe ever 'fall apart' in a fight. Even Foreman couldn't actually keep Joe on the floor. And Fury is no Foreman in terms of punching power.

Fury's only route to victory is to keep Joe at a distance, not try to exchange hooks with him in the trenches.

 

I think it will be Fury increasingly on the front foot as the rounds toll by. When did Joe ever have to carry and try to disengage from a 300 lb man, one who is not afraid of the rough stuff inside. Joe had a litany of physical frailties that would be exacerbated as the effort wore on him, round after round. And whenever Fury wants space, he can get it with his gorilla reach. Joe will rarely find the middle ground he seeks, and he'll be damned either side of it.

 

The trouble is, I think you are talking about a hypothetical version of Fury. Like saying Ali could have been a fronted footed, knockout puncher if he'd just planted his feet more. Not beyond the realms of possibility but unlikely ever to happen due to his skillset, attributes and natural inclination.

Why would Fury risk mixing it at close range with one of the best left-hookers in history when he has a much safer, potential route to victory? And Frazier's Bob and weave, perpetual motion style of aggressive fighting guarantees Fury will miss more than he usually does. His long arms aren't such an advantage up close with Frazier.

A Fury UD win I can buy. Him stopping Frazier? Nah, there is no actual evidence he could do this.

 

As much as I love Frazier, I think this is a brutal style matchup for him. Fury is just too big, too mobile, and too good at tying guys up and smothering aggression. Frazier was 5'11" and around 205 — Fury’s got almost a foot in height and 70 pounds on him, plus the skill set to use every bit of it.

Frazier would have moments — no doubt. He’s relentless, that left hook is deadly, and he’d push the pace. But I don’t think he gets inside enough or often enough to wear Fury down the way he did with guys like Ali or Quarry. Fury would jab, lean, clinch, and frustrate him all night. Honestly, it probably looks a bit like what Fury did to Wilder in the second and third fights, only against a guy with way more heart and stamina. Fury likely by decision ..