Who are your top 10 H2H HW’s?

I go back and forth on this one, and would love to add Uzyk to this list but he is not done yet. I think Fury is going to fight again but I will add him anyway.

1. Ali
2. Tyson
3. Vitali K
4. Foreman
5. Fury
6. Lennox
7. Holyfield
8. Wlad
9. Dempsey
10. Louis

11. Frazier
12. Jeffries
13. Marciano
14. Holmes
15. Tunney
16 . Liston
17. Bowe
18 Max Schmeling
19. Baer
20. Patterson


P4P Is wildly different and all time is even Moreso.

There are 3 categories.

ATG
H2H
P4P

 

1. Wlad
2. Usyk
3. Lewis
4. Vitali
5. Louis
6. Tyson
7. Fury
8 Holmes
9. Ali
10. Bowe
Wlad would probably be the best against smaller fighters but I think Usyk is adaptable enough to do well against almost everyone. Ali is overrated H2H imo so are all his competition but thats definitely going to be a hot take.

 

It's curious to me to see Fury being rated so highly. It has been curious to me to hear people say, for years now, that he is some type of super skilled prodigy.
He is big and he can move without falling down, though he has punched himself in the face. His fight with WK was very possibly the worst fight in history yet people view it as a master class. That has never made sense to me. He beat Wilder and Wilder was possibly the biggest one trick pony in the history of boxing.
Tyson Fury is big and, these days, people equate size with skill. With Fury, what he was really good at- one of the best ever- was looking like he was doing a lot while doing nothing. That worked well with a shot WK and they stunk out the building. It worked with Wilder but, because Wilder had a hard right hand, nobody ever taught him how to fight.
If there is a modern super duper sized heavyweight that would get taken apart by an old time much smaller, much faster heavyweight, it is Fury. Louis would take him apart because he would hit him hard often and clean and would finish him when he was hurt. For the most part Fury has fought guys with very low skill levels with the exception being Usyk; you can argue for WK but I defy you to show me one flash of skill or ability demonstrated by WK in that fight.

 

In no order.

Ali
Usyk
Tyson
Louis
Vitali
Wladimir
Lewis
Bowe
Holmes
Holyfield

 

Fury had Uzyk in trouble a few times and Uzyk is absolutely incredible as an athlete and ATG. , Fury was not really at his best either.

I agree with you on Louis being a tough fight for him.

Fury had that style that could confuse and he always had a good plan. He could move and would get himself up from knockdowns. Fury is tough for anyone. It would take a speedy combination puncher to catch him and take him out. Louis is known as a giant killer for that reason.

 

Ali
Louis
Lewis
Foreman
Marciano
Tyson
Usyk
Wlad
Liston
Holmes

 

Louis
Ali
Liston
Holmes
Foreman
Frazier
Marciano
Usyk
Lewis
Tyson

 

I like this

 

1 - Usyk
2 - Holmes
3 - Fury
4 - Ali
5 - Lewis
6 - Wlad
7 - Vitali
8 - Holyfield
9 - Foreman
10 - Tyson

I tried to make a list based on how these guys would fair against each kind of style and opponent, so a lower name can beat a higher name.

 

Ali
Usyk
Lewis
Louis
Tyson
Holyfield
Holmes
Bowe
Fury
Vitali

The bottom 3 very well could be replaced with the likes of Foreman, Liston, Wlad

 

What about if Wlad isn't allowed to hold as much? If he was around today the refs would be stricter on him no way would the Povetkin type fight be allowed.

 

This is interesting, as I always tried to make my own lists based on 50% H2H and 50% Resume. But, as I'm adding my "proper" heavyweight rankings in brackets afterwards to show how much they have gone up or down on this H2H list, it's making me reconsider some.
1. Ali (-)
2. Liston (+3)
3. Foreman (+3)
4. Lewis (-1)
5. Tyson (+2)
6. Louis (-4)
7. Holmes (-2)
8. Usyk (-)
9. Holyfield (-)
10. Wladimir K (+2)

And then...
12. Vitali K (+2)
11. Wladimir K (+1)
12. Frazier (-2)
13. Bowe (-2)
14. Fury (-)
etc...

 

I wish I could 'Like' this a 1000 Times...

Fury IS an Insult to BOXING, nevermind the HW legacy, in fact, as I have said many times, the Giant SUPER Heavyweight Division needs it's OWN Supbar Division and for the 1st Time in Boxing History, the Only Division with a Height Limit attached to it...

6' 5" and over and 225 / 230lbs plus...

that way 'normal' size Crusiers & HW's might, maybe, just be looked at with admiration & RESPECT again, as it was Once Referred too, "as the Greatest Prize in Sport.

the SUB Super's have to go !