Battling Jim Johnson vs Jack Johnson Revisited

Johnson won the title at thirty, and from that point on, his main goal was making money. He wasn’t taking any real risks leading up to the Jeffries fight. Earlier in his career—pre-title days—he fought everyone and clearly more than held his own. Jeannette might’ve been his toughest challenge, but Johnson handled that era impressively.

After Jeffries, though, he was older and went right back to playing the risk/reward game. His personal life was in chaos, and he wasn’t in a great place mentally. Sure, we all wish he had faced Langford, McVey, or Jeannette again—but for a lot of reasons, that just didn’t happen.

 

Langford was the much bigger problem then Jeanette because he'd fought him once when Langford had just turned 20. But Jeanette had improved greatly. When Jack Johnson was fighting Jeanette, Jeanette had a record below .500 and he was just pulling even at the time of their last fight. Going into his IBU title fight in late 1913 Jeanette was 68 fights over .500.

Per boxrec Jeanette was winning the fight where he got the DQ win over Johnson. It was a real victory.

And yeah Usyk and his rematches lol.

 

What great wins did I mention here, exactly?

I said he fought them freaking 14 times all together and lost one on a foul. How many times do you need to fight someone?

If you don't think Holyfield beating Hagler would be a great win ... and instead would be a hollow victory ... why the hell would you want them to fight 10 or 11 times?

I have no idea what you're arguing.

 

Good to have a little debate.

 

Langford fought Jeanette and McVea 28 times. That is more fights then the current HW champs whole career!

You asked the question

 

I think his point is, Langford was 156 lbs and 21 when he fought Jack. A 25 year old Sam at 175 is way more dangerous. That’s a different fight.

 

You are repeating the BS that just got you banned from Boxing Scene,don't you ever learn?
I should have kept my mouth shut and let Mac ban you,you're just a hater like that other one who is banned here,and just as phobically focused onJack Johnson.

You never made a post on the other Forum worth a cup of cold spit and you won't during your brief time here.

Either you'll get banned here, or your ban will be up on the other place and you'll leave, either way you won't be missed,just as you aren't on the other Forum nobody has even mentioned your banishment!

 

Your very first thread ,Jack Johnson! Same old !Same old!

Ground Hog Day . Ad Nauseum.
Jesus get yourself a life! You're becoming as pathetic as that sad buffoon Mendoza.

Can't you come up with a different subject to debate?

 

Weights were approximate but lets take 156lbs, and Johnson185lbs Langford undoubtedly added weight and improved ,how much is a moot point,he had already had 56 fights.
Lets say he adds 20lbs .Johnson also added weight ,he announced he was in the shape of his life for Jeffries, for which fight he was 208lbs and he also would improve from his 46 fights when he fought Sam, certainly with the added experience of being champion.
So what would really change?
John L Sullivan said no small man is beating Johnson,and he included Langford.
P4P Langford towers above Johnson.

Prime for prime I pick Johnson to beat,not only him but,
Jeannette, and McVey too.
Our recent addition Bronson 666 picks Langford,Jeannette,McVey and Wills to beat Johnson,prime for prime,that should be an illuminating statement for anyone to consider!

 

Box rec is wrong ,contemporary fight reports state Johnson was winning handily.Given this information, why would Johnson foul Jeannette intentionally?

Jeannette improved after his last fight with Johnson? Didn't Johnson also improve?

This is a short report of their last fight.
Johnson defends world 'colored' heavyweight title. Johnson 20lbs heavier. The local paper called it a draw, though it also said Johnson was the cleverer boxer and ring general and slightly outclassed Jeannette. Research done by Adam Pollack.

 

Yes Battling Jim lost to Jeannette and Langford that year, but he also drew with both of them, and neither of them were fighting with a broken arm!
Five months after drawing with a 35 years old, one armed Johnson, Battling Jim beat Jeannette did you some how forget to mention these facts? LOL
" No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." Mark Twain