Classic Forum Chat: Size isn't the only factor.

Yes. This thread deserved a second lease on life. This is good.

 

And he still reigns supreme.

Skill and will man, skill and will!!!!!!!

 

welp

 

Of Course size matters, Height, REACH and Strength MATTER.

No one ever suggested that a Giant 'can't' be beaten, just that they don't usually.

We can't pretend just because a Giant picks up a loss or two against a smaller man or 'slightly' smaller man that changes that. It Doesn't.

the Division IS NOT an Even Playing Field Division and a shite one at that.

Give us back the age old Traditional Heavyweights UNDER 6' 5" and under 225lbs and leave the Giants to 'their' Own Division.

it's an easy fix!!!

 

No-one said they didn't matter. There's a common narrative that old size heavies of the 80's, 70's and backward would be too small to get to the top. It gets blindly shoved forward by the usual suspects at every opportunity.

The fact is size can be overcome, it doesn't mean an automatic victory. A giant hasn't picked up a loss or two, a reasonably small guy has come forward and dominated the entire division!

 

not yet literally and also he is a larger size normal sized HW, and again against SubPar Division.

leave them, the Giants to themselves.

 

Why leave them to themselves when a guy that was fighting in the ring at 206-208 pounds can move up and dominate them. If you believe half the BS about how much the cruiserweights rehydrate, they are already on their own.

 

Weight is Not the Factor with the S-HWs, it's about the Height of these 'supposed' HWs, their NOT, they are S-HW's over 6' 5".

Leave 'them' to themselves, a New Division with a Height measure associated too it, the 6' 5" plus SUPER - Heavyweight Division, an easy fix.

Let them, HUG, Tire, Maul and Spoil themselves into oblivion, because few will be watching... then the Usyks of Boxing meet each other in Classic True Heavyweight matches.

again an easy fix, it would also SAVE the Sport considerably.

 

I'm quite enjoying Usyk ruling the roost TBH.

 

All these people saying size doesn't matter DKS.

Length, girth and sheer mass are all important.

Flyweights always pretend their magic technique will conquer, but for some real industrial grade pounding you need a massive, veiny heavyweight, and those are the facts.

 

Joshua got his ass beat by an obese light heavyweight and a fat old James Toney touched a top 5 spot in the Klitschko era at some point, of course size was always overrated.

 

Applies more in some matchups than in others.

 

Let's be honest despite the fact it may be a bit overstated it's very important.

Weight classes exist for a reason.

 

This gets vastly overdone and is hugely misunderstood. There's a point of diminishing returns. That point may have slowly shifted over the last 75 years or so, but it's there. When you get to certain poundage's, the adage has much less importance.

Fury has had 38 1/2 and 55 pound advantages over Usyk. Fury was considered the best heavy for quite a while before Usyk beat him x 2.

Lets scale it back. Bantamweight to Junior Feather is what, 4 pounds? There's another 4 pounds to feather, 4 to Junior Light, 5 to lightweight, 5 to Junior Welter, 7 to Welter, 7 to Junior Middle, 6 to Middle, 8 to Super Middle, 7 to Light Heavy and 25 to Cruiser if i have it right.

Fury's 55 pound weight advantage over Usyk translates to equaling Bantamweight to Light Heavyweight. Imagine Ruben Olivares at bantam against a 173 pound Michael Spinks. Fury's 55 pounds = about 10 divisions of (supposed) advantage if we want to talk strictly regarding weight divisions and reasons for them. Heck, even imagine him against RJJ, Hagler, Hearns, SRR, Duran etc while weighing 118. Even if we point to Duran beating Leonard, well he weighed the same, basically, and carried it well.

Even 20 pounds. That's Junior Welter to Middleweight. Imagine a 140 pound Aaron Pryor vs Hagler.

There's no weight divisions between 200 and 400 pounds. We've got top 10 fighter weighing 250-300 pounds yet they are ruled by a guy who been swatting away from about 217-227. At this point he's easily the best in the division.

Wilders win column is admittedly **** yet at 212 pounds he dropped Fury twice, and he was at 256. He gave away 40 pounds dropping him twice in their last fight.

The moral to the story is that once you get around 200 (or 210 or whatever) the importance lessons dramatically. Decades ago the mark was a bit lower. In 50 years it might be markedly higher. Right now tho we have a guy who weighed about 206-208 as a cruiser coming in at 217-227 and cleaning house.

Many modernists were talking about it being a strong division not so long ago, but some of the same peeps are backing off on that now a cruiser has moved up and pumped them.

Sure, it's hard for smaller guys to rule up there now but we currently have a guy doing just that.

 

Here’s the thing guys… the reason “size matters” in context to the 70s and what was before that the “wee sized eras” 210-220lbs HW often fought with styles that wouldn’t translate to “Modern” eras they were “big men” of there day… like Marciano can’t be expected to impose his game on Liston it’s just not in the cards but you’ll need to accept that a guy like Liston can’t impose his game on a guy like Lennox. Tyson no matter the era you put him in it wouldn’t matter because his style is unchanged (unless we are talking like 1920s lol)… a guy like GF who fought like an archetypical big strong guy wouldn’t survive doing that today when in his prime he was 6ft3 and 215-220lbs he’d just be overpowered… Usyk is about that size but he fights in a way that allows him to overcome size it isn’t his advantaged, Ali’s style and Holmes’s style unchanged wouldn’t quite work very well against 6ft5+ opponents with 30-50lbs on them, that’s boxing styles make fights man… like Byrd would style all over Bowe but he’d just lick him up, he’d batter him despite his skillset and IQ lacking.