Rahman fought Tua and other contenders so he wasn't a nobody, fact is Fury and ajs entire legacy hinges on Klitschko, so it's not even comparable just off of that. Fury got beat up by an mma fighter which is worse and barely fought any top guys despite having a belt for several years. Donald was 42 and it was still competitive, and Povetkin didn't KO Byrd. The stoppage for Byrd was unnecessary, he was still capable of fighting back when the towel got thrown
No, Lewis is not the only one whose power is a factor here, especially during the second half of the fight when he's fatigued and is blowing out of his ass like never before. They're not ''irrelevant points.'' They're totally relevant. Yes, Lewis' power is more of a factor but the guy who has never been KO'd, let alone x 3 or one punch ironed out in the midst of their prime x 2, is not the one with the chin issues here. AJ, Hrgovic, and Miller are all giants but none of them could legitimately floor Dubois, let alone knock him out x 2 which the much smaller Usyk did McCall did not always look like that he was literally crying during his ring walk and was in no mental state to be fighting that night And there's no need to be rude
You are not even consistent within yourself, if the second half of the fight is what you are concerned with on Lewis then why would you even bring up his one-punch KO losses? McCall was doing very similar stunts against Holmes before he started winning, he was always a nutcase, difference was he started beating up Holmes late, he knew he couldnt do anything to Lewis.
Lewis’ jab, range and underrated movement is probably too much for Usyk in this . His great right hand is trouble for everyone ever of course.
Pro career Lewis was stopped twice if the third was am's clarify it, Lewis he was guilty of being complacent and fair play to Rahman and McCall for throwing two bombs that would of dropped a horse. I'd say Holyfield that imo Lewis beat twice the first fight Evander got a gift, style wise he would of given Usyk a hard nights work, I would favour Usyk though. I also ask the question Usyk best wins versus Fury, who would you favour Lewis or Fury? Lewis for me. Usyk watching him in ring 3 weeks ago a ATG HW, super fighter and a credit to the game, I'm a fan of both LL and Usyk both have superb fundamentals.
You keep telling me I'm bringing up irrelevant points which are totally relevant and now I'm not being consistent What part about Lewis is the one with chin issues here not Usyk don't you understand? Again, contrary to what you said not what I said, Lewis is not the only one whose power is a factor here and the reason I cite the second half of the fight is because that's when Usyk's power would obviously become more a factor. I've said Usyk would likely outbox Lewis and win on points but I also believe he's capable of stopping him, which if it were to happen would be most likely in the second half of the fight DATE: Wednesday, April 2, 1997 TAG: 9704020059 SECTION: SPORTS PAGE: B-3 EDITION: METRO DATELINE: MARTINSVILLE SOURCE: ASSOCIATED PRESS MCCALL IS SENT TO MENTAL HOSPITAL WIFE'S CUSTODY ORDER PUTS BOXER AWAY Former heavyweight champ Oliver McCall is said to be a ``present and imminent danger'' to everyone. Former world heavyweight boxing champion Oliver McCall was ordered to a mental hospital after his wife took out an emergency custody order against him. Documents released Tuesday said McCall ``presents an imminent danger to [him]self or others as a result of mental illness or is so seriously mentally ill as to be substantially unable to care for [him]self.'' McCall, of Collinsville, was picked up in Martinsville on Saturday after his wife took out an emergency custody order against him, police said. McCall was evaluated by a mental health expert, who testified at a detention hearing Saturday night that McCall was mentally ill and in need of hospitalization. He was sent to the Southern Virginia Mental Health Institute in Danville, documents show. An involuntary commitment hearing is planned to determine whether he should continue to be held for further observation and evaluation. McCall was placed on 18 months probation in December after pleading guilty to possession of marijuana and cocaine in Cook County, Ill. He was also arrested in Winston-Salem, N.C., in early April 1996, and charged with marijuana possession. McCall spent time at a North Carolina drug rehabilitation center in August. At the time his manager, Jimmy Adams, said McCall was being treated for marijuana and cocaine abuse. ``Drugs took over his life, and now he's trying to take his life back,'' Adams said in August. McCall won the World Boxing Council heavyweight title in 1994 with a second-round knockout of England's Lennox Lewis. After a successful title defense against Larry Holmes in April 1995, he lost to Frank Bruno in September 1995. In February, McCall broke into tears during a WBC heavyweight title fight with Lewis. His $3,075,500 purse from the fight is still being held in escrow in a New Jersey bank pending an investigation into why he stopped throwing punches and defending himself in the fourth round of the fight. After the fourth round he stood and cried in his corner. The referee stopped the fight 55 seconds into the fifth round.
I know Lewis was knocked out twice as a pro and I don't need to clarify something I already made abundantly clear Who would I favour out of Lewis vs Greedy Belly? Probably Lewis but Greedy Belly would pose him serious problems at his best Yes, both Usyk and Lewis are great fighters and it wouldn't be an easy fight for either. If it was a relatively easy night's work for one of them I suspect it would be so for Usyk due to Lewis not being able to deal with his speed and constant movement
There isn't a bigger sincere (non-trolling) Usyk fan than me. @CST80 might come the closest. Usyk 100% doesn't "destroy" Lewis.
Everyone knows I am an Usyk fanboy but I find these threads saying he would destroy Lewis and Ali obnoxious and head-scratching. Usyk is great enough so that we don't have to tear anyone down to build him up. He built himself up and has a legacy of his own.
I know McCall and Rahman One Hit & That’s it lewis. But who got him in the ams?? Was it Alex Miroshnichenko??
Not to mention it just makes the whole Usyk fandom look dumb, because it's so blatantly false. Maybe a lucky, perfectly-timed Ivan would be sufficient to chin-check Lewis as McCall and Rahman did, but there's little guarantee that Usyk would get the opportunity - particularly if we're talking a prime Steward led Lewis. Same goes for Wladimir Klitschko in his prime under Steward - they were just class of super heavyweight skill-wise than guys like Fury or Joshua. As for Usyk knocking out prime Ali ...****ing hell. I can't even.
To me they are great fantasy fights...just give each man his respect. How do you badmouth the two guys who headed up the two greatest eras ever?
So... are you saying that for certain that Usyk wouldn't win several rounds off of and possibly KO Lewis, which would qualify as destroying an opponent?
I'm saying I wouldn't ever lay money on him knocking out, even if maybe it could happen in 1 of 10 encounters.