Battling Jim Johnson vs Jack Johnson Revisited

I was Ivich and I was banned for an inappropriate post ,nothing more.

I'm not banned anywhere I posted on both sites this hour.

You came here to dump on Johnson end of.

 

Why don't you address the questions I asked.
You have no reason to suspect Johnson was lying about sparring with Wills either have you?

 

Given the eternal rematch system this is very misleading. Most everyones got single wins over everyone even Wills. You can't really construct a case this way under the circumsances.

 

Q.Did Johnson lose to any of those they did?
A.No.

I asked you why you think that prime for prime.
Jeannette and Langford beat Johnson,would you be good enough to give me your reasons?

I can readily accept that a distracted ,ill prepared Johnson could lose to either,but why, prime for prime , do you pick them over him? Gunboat Smith beat Langford by just utilising the jab,Do you think Smith was a better boxer than Johnson?
Langford also lost to Jim Flynn whom Johnson toyed with twice.

Jeannette lost to Sandy Ferguson twice,Ferguson was cake for Johnson .

Jeannette lost to JimJohnson twice ,a 35 years old Johnson, fighting with a broken arm still managed a draw.
So you can see why I'm puzzled by your picks here.
The OP of this thread once stated McVey was competitive withJohnson in all their 3 fights ,he wasn't ,he was never in with a chance in any of them and sustained cruel beatings in each fight.I posted the round by rounds reports of those fights and he dismissed them saying McVey was competitive because he went the distance twice and was ko'd in the last round of their 3rd fight.
When I pointed out Jeffries went into the 15th rd , Burns into the 14th, and Ketchel into the 12 and none of those fights were competitive he had no coherent answer .
Jeannette ,Langford ,and Mcvey were floored multiple times in their respective fights with Johnson.
Johnson was never floored in any of their contests and never in any danger of being ,so you see my dilemma with your opinion.
My inquiry is a genuine one,motivated solely by curiosity,and certainly not animosity.
I look forward to your reply.
ps Neither Langford or McVey have wins over Johnson ,and Jeannette only has one a disputed dsq,nor do Ferguson JimJohnson,Flynn,Thompson ,Black Bill,Martin hold wins over Johnson,so your argument fails.

 

Produce a primary source that says Wills embarrassed Johnson in sparring and I will readily accept it,otherwise its just one man's opinion against anothers.

The quote by the way comes from Joe Botti's book on Jeannette pages 360/361.It cites no primary source except for Wills himself .
The spar occurred in July1912 when Johnson was training for his 2nd fight with Flynn . Wills had had a total of 9 fights 5 of them against debutees and had been ko'd in2rounds by Johnson's sparring a partner Kid Cotton that year .
Now you've continuously made a big play about how Langford,Jeannette, and McVey were green when they were outclassed by Johnson,that being the case do you think it likely that 8 fight Wills who had been ko'd by Johnson's sparring partner 6 months earlier would be able to embarrass Johnson?

NB.Joe Botti is seriously off the wall on the subject of Joe Jeannette,and eagerly swallowed wholesale everything Jeannette is quoted as saying,including him weighing165lbs for his last fight with Johnson.He worships at the shrine of Joe Jeannette.
Botti invited me to join his web site, I lasted about a day,any non-acceptance of his entrenched and totally biased opinions meets with a hellacious,hysterical over reaction.

NB.Joe Botti used to post here until the Forum got wise to him. I must add Botti's record as a trainer is excellent.It's his authorship I take issue with.

Below are two reviews on Amazon on Botti's Jeannette book.

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  Mr. G. P. Shaw
  1.0 out of 5 stars Writing as if its Jeanette talking just doesnt work and reads like a lot of half remembered facts about the times ...
  Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 21 September 2015
  Verified Purchase
  Shame that the first book on such a richly deserved subject should be written in such an idiosyncratic way. Writing as if its Jeanette talking just doesnt work and reads like a lot of half remembered facts about the times he lived in interspersed with newspaper clippings of his fights. Really difficult to read. Clay Moyle's book on Sam Langford gets the feel just right. Could have been much better. Shame.
  
• Peter
  1.0 out of 5 stars Fiction disguised as fact
  Reviewed in the United States on 6 February 2014
  Verified Purchase
  I was so excited to get this book, I have wanted to read the exploits of a boxing immortal like Joe Jennette for years.
  
  This man did virtually everything in the ring and was one of the best heavyweights of the day, quite possibly the equal of better of the great Jack Johnson.
  
  Imagine my surprise to find that this book was written in the first person as if Jennette had written it himself. I am sorry but this was not the way to have written the book. Jennette has been dead for over half a century so it is not as if it could be written as an As Told By...
  
  Now I don't wish to denigrate the writing ability of the author, he is very clever and the book did read well, but I simply couldn't take to a book that was fiction disguised as fact.
  
  Still waiting for a real biography of Joe Jennette.

 

You are still ducking my questions.

 

So many of the fights were "NO DECISION" in those days it's actually quite impressive to get a win at all.

 

Jeannette said he weighed 165lbs for his last fight with Johnson.
I asked you do you believe him? You haven't answered.
Langford said he weighed 147lbs when he fought Johnson .
I asked you do you believe him? You haven't answered.
Why won't you address my questions.
WERE THEY TELLING THE TRUTH OR NOT?

YES?

NO?
It's that simple.
Quack! Quack! Quack!
Still pretending you aren't Ghost Of Dempsey from BS and that now you are getting pms supplying you with info from there ? lol

You are one ****ed up individual do you know that!
Why didn't I let you get banned and go into limbo with the other two on BS?

That's one good turn that's come back to bite me in the arse ! lol
Lesson learned.

 

I'll give you the same answer I gave you on BS Johnson did not struggle with Battling JIm,he struggled with a broken arm,

How long is your ban Ghost?

Nobody has mentioned you,it's as though you have disappeared into the ether, leaving not a trace of your bilious presence behind.