Carlos Roque "Shotgun" Monzón vs. "Marvelous" Marvin Nathaniel Hagler - Definitive Classic Breakdown

hagler’s nonstop pressure, higher sustained output, inside game and durability would win him more rounds than monzons slower counter shots. hagler’s high output rate and proven ability to carry pace for the full distance seed him eek out the decision here.

 

Very well written post and one that is likely spot on ... Monzopn's greatest strength, his exceptional confidence was Hagler's weakness .. I also agree about his trainers who wer5e good guys but seemed far more like HS coaches than world class which a talent like Hagler deserved ... Imagine if he had a Futch or a Steward in his corner ? I do think Marvin was physicality better and would not rule him out but its a tricky matchup ...

 

Hagler didn’t have a very long window, but he was ruthless enough to win if the fight took place when he was at his absolute peak.

 

This is Hagler's fight to win, he's physical and athletic and conditioned enough to force a pace onto Monzon (one of the few who could ever say this) if he wants to, but if he tries to box with Monzon and go hit for hit it will not end in his favor. I dunno how Monzon's range-y style would do into Hagler literally jumping into his punches though, and the switch hitting means Monzon will need at least two strategies.

 

I have always gone back and forth here.

Monzon was a beautiful boxer but I think he will find it frustrating that Hagler would be able to close the distance without fear. Unlike Benvenuti or Griffith or Napoles, Hagler is iron jawed and quite fast too.

I also wonder how Monzons defence would hold up vs Hagler key weapon - the amazing right hook. Not that Hagler could ko him: I don’t think Hagler could stop him. But Haylee’s power jab and right hook might take Monzon several rounds to adjust to.

Monzon’s height would make it tough for Hagler to get inside but i feel Hagler’s speed would allow him to get on the inside. Once inside, I think Hagler would beat him to the punch more often than not and I think Haglers offensive variety is something Monzon has never dealt with. Not sure if Monzon ever faced a southpaw with a power lead hook.

I do think Monzon would come on strong from round 8 onwards and find success with his right hands. Monzons height and reach advantages, his jab and right hand will keep the fight very competitive but ultimately I feel Hagler is the quicker man with a more varied and difficult to read offense (especially the lead right hook) .

I see Hagler winning a hard fight, something lol 8-7 or 9-6

 

Rich met Monzon on the way to the bathroom… @mcvey also saw Monzon when he was supposed to be in prison cornering a fight, I’ve seen it on film also but I think it was for Curro vs Vito.

 

I’d say Griffith was “Iron Jawed” I don’t think anyone disputes Maxim having whiskers both had one freak stoppage that just happen sometimes, Ali has “the chin” and he was basically stopped by Cooper… I don’t see much really between Griffith and Hagler for ability but I’d say Emile is the more “proven” fighter.

 

Oh yes, something was missing with Monzon, it is called a conscience.

He is a psychopath, there is nothing Hagler could do to shake him. Hagler will come up short because Monzon will never lose control of the situation or get panicked.

He was cold and calculated. Hagler eventually tries to out think him and starts to lose rounds. Monzon for the decision.

 

I don’t think Hagler was anymore conditioned and athletic then say Rodrigo Valdez against Vito Hagler also started to run an empty tank from memory… The men however I noticed Hagler had the most trouble with were physical guys who dug in and were in good shape Hamsho, Mugabi and Vito had a lot of success and Hagler never really convincingly beat Vito, the cut was what it was and technically a conclusive win but it also wasn’t, did you see what Monzon did inside with Napoles? He really wasn’t bad there, he knew what he was doing. I’m not sold on either side and I actually will watch both today in a marathon to contribute to this thread because they’re both awesome fighters.

 

Hey Noel I actually thought the same thing, I watched Nino vs Monzon 1? The early stoppage one… anyways, I rewatched it after asking @greynotsoold to take a gander and I was kind of unimpressed too against my will lol. it’d been a second since I watched him… he seemed lazy with certain things and then Grey made me rethink the whole fight when he said “I don’t think Monzon was trying to land a single jab” and that made me reassess what I was watching, I think that’s something to look at with certain guys “what’s accomplished with MISSED punches?” Then you think about why he looks unsightly… he might just be playing with the guys rhythm or sense of anticipation etc it’s all very layered and I think I’ll never fully GET Monzon.

 

Quite an exageration but sure, a freak stoppage can happen. The issue is that neither Hagler nor Monzon are 10/10 punchers. Both were also defensively quite smart and unlike Ali who would fly around with his hands low, relying on his reflexes, Monzon and Hagler were defensively quite intelligent. I don't see Hagler getting cocky like the young Ali and dropping his hands unnecessarily.

 

Oh I didn’t think any of that would happen… I was just defending Griffith compulsively

 

As much as I love Antuofermo, he got knocked down in the 3rd and between that and the cut and the way the fight was going, it wasnt gonna go on for much longer. This is a really bad faith argument

It is not serious to say that Monzon was as physically strong as prime Mugabi

I see the arguments for Monzon winning but theoretically Hagler should have the tools to win.