Most impressive: Spinks over 48-0 Holmes , Or Usyk over Undefeated Fury?

Fury has much better top three wins than Holmes.

 

Spinks. He beat a better fighter as a big underdog.

 

And Holmes wasn't? He struggled with Williams arguably should have lost that fight, was ducking all his real contenders and tried to cherrypick a LHW and then lost to him. Fury was still a very good fighter at that point took on the best fighter in the division and gave a good show in the Usyk fights.

 

Holmes stopped Bey right after Bey beat Page. Stopped Smith right after Smith beat Bruno. Before Usyk, Fury got dropped by Ngannou and KO’d Chisora for the 20th time. If the fight wasnt competitive Usyk’s win over Fury wouldnt even be that respected.

 

And if Holmes beat Spinks then it would have been seen as what it was, a cherry pick

 

No Neck, I dont think Ive chatted with you before but I find this a very strange attitude. I can remember being in a strange place with regards Usyk back when he fought AJ. I didn't rate him at the weight, he had not had a conclusive win and had even looked uncomfortable against the brave but limited Del Boy...but I was sure hed beat AJ, and for the reasons I explained earlier. Styles make fights and he is, was and always will be all wrong for Josh.

I didnt come onto this forum till 2024, and did so because it seemed polite, well run and full of knowledgeable posters..I still believe this to be the case, but will say, whether you believe me or not really doesn't matter a damn. I dont buy all this revisionist 'AJ is/was a bodybuilding bum etc...'. I was always a Fury fan before AJ but now think AJ beats Fury and the revisionism about his place in this 'era' of heavyweights is astonishing. He was at times the best or second best heavyweight on the planet for a long time, explosive, hard hitting, exciting, a handful for most when he was on his game.

I always felt Wilder, who is half the boxer AJ is, would beat him...styles make fights...and I thought Fury would outbox him clearly, for the same reasons I felt Usyk would. I still habe Fury above him, but were they to fight now, I think AJ would beat Tyson...and Ive just said this in another thread, the AJ from Usyk 2 was the best AJ ive seen and would have beaten any of the others, Fury, Dubois, Wilder on that night.

 

Yeah but at least it would have been consistent. Within the last years Larry had wins over Marvis Frazier, James Smith, David Bey and Carl Williams, with only Carl going to distance. Within the last 2 years Fury only beat Chisora and Ngannou. And people mock Holmes for struggling with Williams but Fury got smacked to the ground by Ngannou.

If Usyk beat Fury dominantly he would have beaten a guy who was more or less a circus act since Wilder III. Spinks no matter what he did would have lost to a declining but still dominant champion.

 

No.

 

We should judge fighters by how they look in the fight itself not in terms of what ifs and their previous fights. Fury has always known to fight on the level of his opponents and he fought at a very high level in the Usyk fight. Holmes was in decline for awhile and looked worse and worse in each fight until Spinks where his decline was most evident and he finally lost. From what I saw Fury looked much better in the fight against Usyk then Holmes did in the fight against Spinks hence why I think beating the better fighter is more impressive then beating the worse fighter. At least that's my perspective.

 

Within 11 months leading into Spinks fight, Holmes had WTKO 12 Smith, WTKO 10 Bey and W15 Williams.
Yes he was past his best ... but you'd be an idiot to think struggling with Ngannou indicates better form than that.

 

But Fury who was the same age as Holmes, struggled in Wilder 3, dropped twice and went life and death with a 37 year old Ngannou on his debut is better than Holmes who just struggled with undefeated contender Carl Williams ? Fury literally ducked Usyk for years cherrypicking an ancient Chisora for a 3rd fight and an mma fighter until Turki flashed the 9 figures. Wtf are you smoking ? This is just pure bias, I expect better from you. Holmes ranks far higher than Fury and was also undefeated it's not even close

 

Lmk when Fury loses to a LHW

 

Spinks weighed in as a cruiserweight, Spinks is just superior to Beterbiev and Bivol by a long shot. How many elite cruiserweights did Fury beat ?

 

Almost like Fury is a HW not a Cruiserweight. Weight divisions exist for a reason unless you think they shouldn't?

 

Fury isn't a big puncher is he ? Cunningham wasn't all that, had never fought at heavyweight and Fury still admitted that was his toughest fight even after he fought Wilder, Wallin and Klitschko. He got floored and resorted to illegal forearm tactics when he stopped Cunningham. So how are you so certain he beats elite heavyweight greats from the past ? Based on the above information you seriously suggesting someone with the pedigree, agility, talent, and versatility of Spinks couldn't realistically take Fury down ? Spinks was 205 pounds at his best and 6'2 with the same reach as Joseph Parker

You think Furys an all time great. Thats where the diversion between you and the vast majority of knowledgeable boxing fans start