Most impressive: Spinks over 48-0 Holmes , Or Usyk over Undefeated Fury?

Holmes also lost to Bobick in the amateurs who wasn’t a Southpaw do you think he would lose to Bobick in the professional ranks ?

I think it's quite clear Holmes improved leaps and bounds as a professional.

 

Truth be told, I wouldn’t favor even a prime Holmes against Usyk.

 

Of course Ngannou is a fighter.

Pele Reid was a world champion at kickboxing and 20-6 at boxing and couldn't get past Julius Francis at British domestic level. That's 20 more wins than Ngannou has and no one calls him world class.

It's not simply boxrec analysis. It's how the sport works. They prove themselves in actual competition. Winning fights.

 

Bobick was better than him and almost everyone in the ams. You're making a weak analogy because Nick Wells didn't fight in the pros.

 

I wasn't on this forum till 2024...so, I ain't sure what your point is here?

Hey man, I'm not looking for an argument, have a wonderful evening, peace and love always, Px

 

Seems you don't have the best track record in picking fights lol:

 

Great find so many posts that aged like milk in there. Funny how the same people who picked Joshua to beat Usyk all now say Joshua was a bad win........

 

Nobody said it's a bad win. Its a top level win and impressive. Calling aj or fury a better win that Holmes is navigating into nonesense territory. Fury looked worse going into the fight and doesn't have half the legacy of Holmes. I thought Fury would destroy Ngannou, and Fury proved me wrong. He's historically overrated by you, that's an objective fact

 

No you're making a weak analogy about amateur fights.

Just because a very green Holmes in amateurs lost to a Southpaw doesn't mean a much better experienced Holmes in the pro ranks couldn't perform better against a Southpaw.

 

A subjective statement can't be a fact by definition my friend

 

The point is that your claimed opinion from before you were here doesn't trump how things really were. Once again, this forum has loved Usyk but still favored Joshua.

 

Your subjective statement contradicts objective statistics that favor Holmes by a mile.

You also think aj and Fury are as good or better than the Klitschko brothers when prime aj barely got out alive against a 41 year old Wlad. I have been on record saying Usyk has a great chance against aj because aj struggled with Erislandy Savon and said he could/would Fury with good judges because Furys front foot skill is extremely overrated and he already struggled with pillowfisted Cunningham. Everyone has gotten predictions both right and wrong. You aren't immune to it, you just never show up in any prediction threads. Holmes would beat Fury clearly, and Spinks could too

 

Stats don't fight fighters do how we evaluate their fighting is subjective

Fury fought mostly on the back foot against Usyk lol

 

I see 9 people picked Usyk by points? So my pick was hardly a lonely voice in the wilderness. I'll back out of chatting with you man, you seem determined to have an argument and that ain't my bag. Have a wonderful evening. Peace and love always, Px

 

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