Joe Louis's record vs ranked opposition

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  1. Yorbals

    Yorbals Member Full Member

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    GGG and Usyk weren’t ‘better’ in their mid 30’s.

    look at the difference in speed when GGG was in his 20’s, his problem was that he didn’t have anybody to fight, he beat all of the contenders.

    The difference was that he knocked them all out and looked indestructible doing it.
    When Wlad should have been in his prime he was getting knocked out.
     
  2. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why he'd easily beat them just like he beat all his opponents during his title reign
     
  3. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ok thanks for responding.
     
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  4. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    Just wait bro i'm coming
     
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  5. Yorbals

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    How ? Why?
    When was Frazier getting ko’d by nobodies?
    Foreman even trumps Wlad for being a better older fighter despite sitting round getting fat for ten years.
     
  6. Yorbals

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    Chinny grabby wrestler, worse than his brother.
    Firmly sat on the middle step with his brother, looking down on bums like Joshua and Wilder but not good enough to be on the top tier.
     
  7. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I would take the mid 30's Usyk over the mid 20's one who struggled against Beterbiev seven days a week. As I would take mid 30's Lewis over mid 20's Lewis. Lewis also had the bulk of his best work in his 30's.

    In the end, it is what one does against whom that matters, not when. Your criteia seems arbitrary and just having to do with that you don't like a certain fighters.
     
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  8. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Because neither had a dominate or long run like Wlad nor do either have the amount of good wins that Wlad does. Your hyper focus on losses is kinda dumb ngl and its selective af which is typical for you kind.

    How is Foreman better he only beat Moorer as an old fighter otherwise he beat nobodies and lost to every good fighter he fought. I swear all you do is repeat boomer talking points without actually thinking them through I'll wait to hear a single original thought from you.
     
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  9. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ok Dino
     
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  10. Yorbals

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    Of course it matters when , it matters loads.
    Beterbiev is world class, Usyk couldn’t dominate him because he’s quality, not like the dross he’s beaten in the last few years.

    Lewis wasn’t at his best at 35, around 30 or so he was at his best, which is right for the majority of fighters
     
  11. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hypothetical question I know but if not for WW2 realistically how many more could Joe Louis have got?
     
  12. Yorbals

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    Foreman was 40-0 before losing to the greatest ever.
    Which Moorer’s were Wlad beating at 45 ?

    I focus on losses less than most probably, but you have to look at them in context
     
  13. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Larry Holmes wasn't undisputed either and yet you rate him number 3, LOL. So it matters when it comes to Wlad, but not when it comes to Holmes?
     
  14. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Joe Louis fought them all. But the list above seems to include fighters who weren't ranked at heavyweight (but at light heavyweight) ... guys who used to be ranked ... and guys who were later ranked.

    It's fine if you want to include anyone who was ever ranked.

    But a lot of boxers' records look different if you include every fighter they fought who USED to be ranked or were ranked in a lighter division.
     
  15. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So it's way better when it comes to quality and quantity. That's exactly it.

    I'm not arguing fantasy matchups. I'm talking about the facts. And the facts are, Vitali can't shine Wlad shoes when it comes to resume.