UFC 319 - Du Plessis vs Chimaev

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  1. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Ref should have stood them up sooner.
     
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  2. kirk

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    Meh.
     
  3. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Would have happened under different circumstances. UFC favors Chimaev thought due to Arab money.
     
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  4. kirk

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    They should also limit takedowns to one attempt per round, and give fighters a red card they can pull once in the fight, to get out of bad positions.

    Meh.

    Glad they didnt stand it up more... would have been a joke.

    Maybe ddp should work on his non existent td defense.

    Grapplers dont have an obligation to make the fight easier on their opponents. Its called mma for a reason.
     
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  5. UnleashtheFURY

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    Fight was a joke. and no doubt in my mind that Chimaev is doped up to the max on endurance boosters for this one. Have you followed MMA? This isn't early UFC. Fights have been stood up across multiple orgs for far less. Chimaev and Merab will kill this sport with this ****.
     
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  6. kirk

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    Meh. Fans that dont like it should go find a different sport then.

    This whole anti wrestling shtick is embarrassing, imo.

    As a boxing fan it cracks me up how much 'mma fans' actually hate mma.

    This notion that wrestling should be prevented from dominating and controlling an opponent to win fights is absurd.

    "Lets have an mma fight, but you cant control me the whole fight ok, you have to give me some chances too!"

    Its crazy.
     
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  7. kirk

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    Would show you how stupid standing them up is, and how worthless it makes mma, had they stood them up and ddp wound up actually cracking chimaev and stopping him. It undermines the entire sport when your 'champion' is only the champion because the guy that was rag dolling him was forced to get off of him and they gave ddp a free stand up opportunity.

    Its a joke.
     
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  8. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Bro you have **** on wrestling and stalling multiple times on here over the years. wtf is this schizo flip flopping **** lmao. Go back and watch older UFC and Pride fights. There have been stand ups for far less. Enjoy seeing Chimaev fight once every 12-15 months.
     
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  9. kirk

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    Maybe im tripping, could be wrong, but I feel like Ive always supported wrestling in mma. If Ive ever crapped on wrestling its likely only been in relation to mma vs boxing, as sports, and my preference to striking over wrestling, and probably talking some crap about the spirit of wrestling, relative to the spirit of boxing.

    Doesnt mean I want wrestling nerfed in an actual mma fight.

    As for being standed for less, ya because pathetically desperate orgs stand up controlling fighters to placate their drunk idiotic fans in attendance that start booing when they dont get a rock em sockem robot match.
    That doesnt excuse doing it lol.


    The frequency in which Chimaev fights is irrelevant.
     
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  10. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    why not bring back no time limits, low blows, eye gauging as well then. Chimaev can lay on top of his opponent for 3 hours landing weak little girl strikes that do nothing. MMA has been nerfed for a long time it's corporate slop now.
     
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  11. Badbot

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    But thats the thing, Chimaev was working all of the time. He wasn't stalling for time, or simply holding on. He was punching and looking for submissions.

    I would agree with you if all Chimaev did was stall.
     
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  12. kirk

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    Allowing fighters to low blow and eye gouge, doesnt quite seem to be a reasonable grouping with... letting wrestlers wrestle (unimpeded).

    And thats just it, chimaev was inflicting wear and tear... the only reason it didnt produce fruit is because ddp is an exceptional beast that was able to withstand it. But everything chimaev was doing, in reality, mattered and had an effect. Riding ddps back and folding him back down makes ddp expend a ton of energy trying to get back up, and saps leg strength holding chimaevs weight in that position. Being in the crucifix isnt about the strikes landed, watch how much energy ddp has to exert trying to buck chimaev off of him.

    This theoretically can start paying off to help set up finishes as the fighter starts wearing down. It didnt with ddp because ddp is a beast. So what, the theory is the same.

    Its chess, not checkers.

    and youre right it is corporate slop. So excuse me if I want to see some semblance of reasonable purity to it by simply, letting wrestlers, wrestle.

    And the thing is, if I actually thought Chimaev was indeed stalling, Id agree with you more. But in reality, he wasnt stalling.
     
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  13. drenlou

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    It's part of the game but man it could really dull a fight out which we saw tonite. It's true though what UTF is saying. John Mccarthy and even herb Dean were standing fights up quickly for no action in ground control.
     
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  14. drenlou

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    This was the 1st time I had ever seen the crucifix implemented in an MMA matchup at UFC 63 . Difference was Matt Hughes was really laying them in. Chamaev once he gained ground control didn't really do much, he really could have went for the kill and stopped it from the 2nd-3rd round if he really wanted to. He decided to lay and pray instead and go the distance. It was a terrible fight.


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  15. Badbot

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    The positions were a bit different tho. It´s not a 1 for 1 comparison, even tho in both cases the technique is referred to by the same name.
    And as Kirk pointed out several times, DDP was defending himself well. Chimaev had to work to hold him in those crucifixes.