Lennox Lewis is great but

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by GlaukosTheHammer, Aug 15, 2025.


  1. Overhand94

    Overhand94 Active Member Full Member

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    I agree with most of the original post, barring a few points :
    - McCall wasn't a cherrypick since he was the WBC mandatory n°1 contender ;
    - it was Foreman who didn't want to face Lewis (or Bowe/Ruddock for the matter) ;
    - the draw against Holyfield was largely seen as a robbery, and rightly so (although Lewis' performance in itself was clearly not outstanding).
     
  2. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well, I am glad you guys find the subject matter interesting. I apologize for not quoting each and every one of you but it seems to me quite a few would be getting the same response. So, I'm throwing this out here open ended and without singling anyone out.


    1.) I did not say these are my criticisms.

    2.) I frequently get called British or European for going out of my way to point out the internationalism or lack there of per era.

    3.) Google, Bing, Duckduckgo, whatever you like bros, have you a search. I did not make up any of this. If you disagree with any given stance, ****, I might too, but I don't act like it didn't happen or I'm unware or no one ever said that.


    The following took me seconds to find:

    Lennox Lewis Reveals Surprising Reason He Avoided George Foreman: "I Had Everything To Lose"
    https://ringside24.com/en/news/boxi...oided-george-foreman-i-had-everything-to-lose

    "blah blah blah my opinion on Foreman, yada, yada, some other nonsense about our opinions" Bro, i don't care. I am telling you Lennox got criticized for avoiding Foreman. You can disagree.

    You can also ask me what my opinions are before you give me the biz because I gave you the news.




    McCall/Ruiz? Canada/UK? Bowe? Have you a search and if you have a hard time finding anyone who expressed the criticism I told you about let me know and I'll help you out.


    Crying at me because you never heard of it or because you disagree with it is just a case-in-point ya silly billy. The entire point was y'all act like I make this stuff up. ... ... ... ... then you came in here acting like I make this stuff up ... without so much as having a search to see if maybe I'm just telling you whats up. :lol: FFS
     
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  3. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    I’m all for careful criticism of any fighter, but your take here is full of holes and some pretty big spins. He got his first title shot because Bowe literally vacated the belt rather than fight him—this after destroying Ruddock, who had given a near-prime Tyson his toughest nights outside the Douglas loss.

    Yes, he definitely lost to McCall, and that’s on him—he came in unfocused. But I’ve never once heard him say he thought he lost the Mercer fight. I’ve rewatched it plenty; it was one of Mercer’s best showings, sure, but I still see it as a close win for Lennox.

    Do you seriously think he ducked a made-for-him old George Foreman in ’97? Holyfield was still a top heavyweight all through the ’90s, and Lewis beat him twice, even if the judges only gave him the decision once. He gave Tyson a thorough, one-sided beating—when exactly do you think he “ducked” Tyson or Holyfield?

    The Vitali situation speaks for itself, and the idea that he was afraid of Byrd—a talented guy but totally outgunned against Lewis—is just silly.
     
  4. d4n1elc

    d4n1elc New Member Full Member

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    Didn't avoid Foreman infact Foreman was the one selecting fighters, including his last opponent in a Shannon Briggs that wasn't even ranked in the top 15 by the WBC.
    Golota did give two back-to-back impressive performances against Bowe before his disqualifications and looked to be in great condition and ability, and was ranked the top 1 by the WBC going into the Lewis fight so I don't see why fighting a prime fighter who is ranked as the best heavyweight (contender) in the world by the sport's biggest sanctioning body is a cherrypick.
     
  5. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    Shannon Briggs was ranked 7th iirc
     
  6. MixedMartialLaw

    MixedMartialLaw Fight sports enthusiast Full Member

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    The affected British accent he put on is my main gripe. His real voice sounds like how you'd expect him to sound, a jamaican who immigrated to Canada as a 12 year old.
     
  7. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 MONZON VS HAGLER 2025 banned Full Member

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    “Ducked Foreman” for Golota… no bud.
     
  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I can do better refutations of Joe Louis, probably Ali, and certainly Marciano. This game can be played all day long. Especially if we're allowed to bend the facts as much as you have.
     
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  9. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Please continue and do so ... explain, specifically, where I bent facts in my response.
     
  10. Jakub79

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    I can't agree with the argument, but the idea that Lewis is overrated is definitely close to my heart. I also write about this often, providing only facts, and I'm often met with hysteria, not even with counterarguments. The counterargument is always the same – you're a Lewis hater, you're definitely an American. End of story.

    At some point, Lewis became boxing's sacred cow. A journalist's darling. He has a great rapport with his fans. And remember, HBO swallowed Showtime at a time when the American heavyweight division died a natural death.
    And I generally agree. Lewis is overrated. All of this has boosted Lewis's reputation immensely. When he was at his peak around 1999-2000, no one was claiming he was a top 10 heavyweight. Promotion and revisionism have led to him now being considered a top 3 heavyweight. It's scary to think what will be said about Usyk in 20 years.
     
  11. Smoochie

    Smoochie G.R.E.B G.O.A.T Full Member

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  12. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    After you post a contemporary source quoting the man in question and folks are still claiming fake news ... what do you do?

    I dunno, post the same quote from a source that is the same website all these jamooks sound off on?

    By James Slater -

    Source: Lennox Lewis On Why He Would Never Have Fought George Foreman - East Side Boxing News (https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-ne...would-never-have-fought-george-foreman/288492)


    “Oh, is that where the lineal thing came from?” Lewis asked his interview when informed that Briggs had taken the lineal title from Foreman. “No. I never wanted to fight George. It is a lose-lose situation. If you beat him, like I would have, then you beat an old guy and everybody hates you, because they loved George. And if he beats you, you got beaten by an old guy and you are rubbish.”

    Source: Lennox Lewis On Why He Would Never Have Fought George Foreman - East Side Boxing News (https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-ne...would-never-have-fought-george-foreman/288492)


    Hmmm, might be seeing that quote again when I'm hammering the fact lineal is some made up nat fleischer BS no one cared about until recently ... besides this point though


    I don't mean to call you out here @he grant as someone who asked exceptionally bad questions. I'm just using you as an example. Your post was exceptionally good actually and so I figure you could probably see the point without getting butthurt over it where as some of these dudes wear their emotions on their sleeves. I doubt I could quote or directly address them and it not devolve into personal attacks. To be super, very, clear, I am quoting you because you're a good poster not a bad one. ... and for the other, no, he's not the only one but I got to pick someone. Grant's as good as any.

    https://ringside24.com/en/news/boxi...-about-controversial-victory-i-thought-i-lost

    well now you have and took like 20 seconds to find that article.




    If I can expand. Seems to me folks have A-B mentality.

    Did Foreman-Lewis happen? Nope.

    Was there talk? Yup.

    Did Lewis have interest in Foreman? Nope.

    Did Foreman have interest in Lewis? Nope.

    So if I say Lewis avoided Foreman or Foreman avoided Lewis am I talking mad **** that must be defended by Leweystans or Foreman Fans? Nah doe dog, I'm just telling y'all some **** that happened aren't I?


    Made for Lewis, man, shut up, pop a tab, have a googs, you're telling me Lewis is lying and does not actually believe the marketing for Foreman is all sorts of stale? Seems a spot more disrespectful than saying he avoided Foreman. To me.


    Likewise, the Mercer anecdote takes like 20 seconds to find, so, rather than searching you just went shooting opines from memory and influence. It's no wonder none of youse know anything about these subjects. ... even when told about them ... there's 0 independent research. Even when it's basic ***** **** that comes from a simple google search.



    Agreeing and disagreeing is not the point. The point is informing. Like as in regardless of if you accept colorline as an excuse or not no one here needs told about the era when blacks were avoided. No one says "I have never heard of that" as a response. How many of these posts can be summed up with "I have never heard of that"? Well, kiddos, this time the subject isn't buried under newspaper archives and magazine reports. This is easy information to come by, and y'all are still denying. What's worse is there seems to be a real rally behind Foreman which is one of the few does not matter what your opinion is because both principles have given theirs subjects listed. To say anything but that fight didn't happen because they didn't want it is to get into tinfoil hate conspiracy nonsense all just so you don't have to learn a nonsense anecdote that makes no difference to anyone.
     
  13. SouthpawsRule

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    You are not trying to “inform” anyone, the entire post is filled with distain on Lewis that you try to hide behind the “Im just informing!” excuse and all of us can tell, we are not stupid bro the intent here is pretty clear.
     
  14. dinovelvet

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    The simple fact of the matter is prime Bowe obliterates 99 Holyfield while Lewis stunk the joint out and almost lost the second one.
     
  15. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Do you think I struggle to be a big baby too?

    Let me be very clear. Your posting style is easy. I promise I can make wild assumptions about you and your motivations as well. I have mostly abstained while you lot cry little baby BS at me.

    Why, buddy, you go ahead and explain to me why on earth I'd do this informatively if I am motivated to bring Lewis down a peg?

    You don't think I would gather more to me by being rude, personal, and small? Read the ****in' room brah, seems to be the go to here.


    Dudes who don't know me well enough to know what nationality I am speaking to my nationality.

    Dudes who have never interacted with me ever before here to tell me my motivations

    Twice now I have pointed out you don't know it because when you're told you don't even bother to check. Twice now I've been told nah doe my personal beef.

    Shut you silly ***** mouth, pop a tab, have a look. You want to be personal? You want to talk Galukos? Okay bro, look at my posting history.

    Oh what? Personal vendetta you say? Packaging hate as info you say? Hmmm, not being a very good propagandists if just a few posts prior I am calling the same man a GOAT, am I?


    Could I have planned this?

    Did you just get set up?

    Or are you a man-child who would rather live in denial than learn something?





    Let me tell y'all something brother, it is not me taking the hit when you guys do this to me. I hardly post and I am getting a reputation for being crazy knowledgeable and it is not because I am some great boxing guru. It is because baby boys like you will not learn anything but will run their little pizzle nibbler all day long. By juxtaposition I am. By juxtaposition I'm ****ing amazing, but that's only because the know-nothing know-it-all crowd never shuts the **** up.

    If you did not know, now you know, and before you step, you should pick up your phone and ask AI for a link bare GD minimum. Nothing I wrote here is hard to come by. No it isn't because I hate GOAT quality Lewis. No it isn't because I am American and can't be happy for a Euro who comes up in the US dominated scene with titan called Iron and Real Deal.

    Yes, it is because none of you seems to know even basic ass just happened yesterday boxing history.


    Cheers bud.