Is Canelo vs Crawford just

lets just say by comparison Ortiz looked much better against the same opponent. & he was still super unproven especially after struggling & eeking out a victory facing Bohachuck.

Bud has a chance.
I just wouldn’t put money on it.

 

Who the hell is "you guys"....... I'm one guy on here and no where in my post did you hear me say that Spence's car accident was the reason for anything that happened July 29, 2023.....

I'm on record for pointing out before and after the fight that he received ZERO injuries in that first car accident (which is a miracle in itself seeing how bad the accident was). The worse he walked away from that night was a DUI. The second car accident was a fender bender. He's actual in a video walking around his truck bragging about it being bullet proof and that being the reason why he wasn't injured..... His actual injury came during SPARRING. A sparring partner punched him causing him to miss out on the opportunity to fight Manny Pacquiao.

But nowhere did you see me suggest that any of this was the reason Crawford dominated in their match up 2 years ago..... So if you are going to come here strictly for a debate, the least you can do is debate the subject at hand and know the stance of the person you are debating.

Spence would have lost to Crawford had he fought him in 2018 when Crawford originally called him out. Instead Spence went and fought Mikey Garcia. Then fought Shawn Porter who's lost to every elite welterweight he's faced. The fought 2 fighters who lost to Porter in Danny Garcia and Ugas........ Spence was never better than Crawford in my eyes. He and his camp knew it as well, thus all the obstacles they threw in the pathway to keep the fight from happening.

But again..... That's not the subject I was discussing.

 

You can say that but I wouldn't..... Ortiz did nothing to Madrimov that Crawford didn't do. Feel free to point out where I'm wrong. And Madrimov wasn't as cautious vs Ortiz as he was vs Crawford. Both Crawford and Ortiz were unproven at that weight.

Saying Ortiz looked "much better" is a huge stretch being that he did nothing special that night, just like Crawford. Both beat a man they were well equipped to beat.

 

A weight drained Spence....

 

Fair
ill give you they both didn’t impress
Maybe I should have said I expected much better from Crawford than what Ortiz did vs The same opponent.

My moneys on Nelo man!

 

what? you dont think hitting your head hard enough to knock your teeth out is an injury? or having surgery for a detached retina? then having another surgery for cataracts. the guy was falling apart already.

 

Who ever that is has nothing to do with me. If you respond to me, then respond to something I'm actually saying, don't link my conversation with someone else because I can't argue their point..... Especially if they are saying something that I'm not saying to begin with.

 

Getting your teeth knocked out in the fall of 2019 effected his ability to fight in the summer of 2023?.......Nice Try.

Surgery for his detached retina happened because he got punched by a sparring partner as I pointed it out..... Last I checked.....that happens in the sport of boxing. He passed the physical to be sanctioned for the fight so I don't want to hear it used as an excuse when he willing accepted and participated in the bout. Unless we are going to finally use that same energy on his win over Kell Brooke who was coming off of an injury and surgery and ended his recovery early to start camp to defend his title against Spence.

The surgery for the cataracts happened after the Crawford fight..... Not sure how that surgery effected a fight that already happened.

 

We can both agree on that. I had higher expectations for Crawford as honestly I didn't know a whole lot about Madrimov before the match up so I had to go back and watch a couple of his fights. Then I watched his highlights. I thought his style and tendencies were perfectly set up for Crawford to really introduce himself to a higher weight class. Crawford's counters, controlling the distance, stamina, & timing was supposed to expose the major holes with Madrimov, but when Madrimov wouldn't engage, we didn't get to see much. People gave Madrimov ultimate praise for feints and ignored he was not engaging.

But then against Ortiz, I would have expected Madrimov to use his footwork to neutralize the power of Vergil. He did sit in the pocket a little more, but it was clear that his IQ wasn't equipped to take advantage of certain holes that Vergil exposed in his own abilities, such as taking his head off the line when leading with the straight or stepping into the opponent throwing a lead hook to the body from a distance instead of to the side.

Overall, I wasn't impressed by either performance from Crawford or Ortiz. Not all their fault, a great deal of it was the awkwardness of Madrimov and the fact he did many things that was out of character from his film vs both fighters. I truly believe that if Madrimov was to rematch either, he gets stopped by both.

I can't get mad on your Canelo prediction vs Crawford..... I go back and forth on it. I'll have a solid prediction the week before the media workout...... I do think the fight will be closer than what some predict...... Canelo supports feel he will wash Crawford within 7. Crawford fans feel Crawford will master class box Canelo into a 10 rounds to 2 unanimous......... I just want to enjoy the night..........I'm an Eminem fan, but I don't want to see a whole concert performance before the main event again........lol.

 

The excuse that Crawford predicted his fans would use 4 years before the fight actually took place.

Spence chose to fight at 147 after his first 10 being at 154lbs. It was the quickest route to him getting a world title opportunity. Crawford called for the fight to happen before even moving up to 147. Once he beat Horn for the WBO strap, his focus was on the PBC title holders, specifically Thurman and Spence. Neither were interested in a Crawford match up and gave multiple reasons for it. Both stayed in house and fought lesser opponents. It went on for 5 years before the Spence/Crawford match up came to fruition. The "weight drain" excuse holds zero water, especially being that he had an opportunity to rematch at a more comfortable weight and he has yet to leave his farm.

If Spence actually believe that he was weight drained and it kept him from being more competitive vs Crawford, his energy following the fight would have shown it by now. Hell, he didn't even exercise the rematch clause until 3 days after the deadline. Crawford still honored it, only for Spence to back out, claim to be too unhealthy, but then attempt to go after Fundora.

 

I'll be pretty disappointed if Bud runs away the whole round every round and then raises his gloves at the end of each round like that poser, Mikey did, but I guess it's not out of the question. Both guys' last victories were less emphatic than one would like to see leading into a fight with as much potential to be big as this one. Could happen. Could just totally suck out and be a waste of time and money like Spence vs Garcia.

I don't think anybody should buy this fight. It's gonna' suck and be boring and stupid and a mismatch. I will take one for the team, though and let all of you know how it works out afterwards.

 

great breakdowns on the common opponent for bud & vergil.

I honestly don’t think Canelo will wash bud.
I expect a great boxing match tbh.

Just can’t see Crawford going up 2 weight classes
Without properly acclimating to the weight to take on & topple Canelo for undisputed who is more than comfortable at that weight. It’s a HUGE ask imo.

 

Crawford has superior skills to Canelo and is the better athlete.

 

That maybe so but he is not levels above as Canelo is highly skilled in his own right. Canelo is younger and bigger Crawford's elite skillset will not be enough in my opinion.