Is… is it time again? Wilder vs Marciano 15rds

Moore stopped men of note Bivins, Baker, Harold Johnson, Bob Dunlap, Satterfield, Cestac, Embrell Davidson, Oakland Billy Smith, Lloyd Marshall, Phil Muscato and more. Half these men are in the HOF. Harold Johnson and Satterfield although the fights were at LHW had a far more extensive HW record then Wilder. As I said men of note. Wilder doesn’t have one besides Ortiz.

 

Fury doesn’t have the strongest resume, but most would agree he’d be a tough one on one matchup for almost any historical boxer. Wilder isn’t as skilled as Fury, but there’s a reason AJ steered clear of him, even though AJ is the more complete boxer overall. At his best, Wilder could realistically knock out almost anyone (though not outbox them).

This is a hypothetical head to head between Marciano and Wilder, not a resume comparison. Wilder was an athletic, very tall fighter with a devastating right hand, so comparing him to someone like the lumbering, pillow-fisted Valuev is absurd for anyone here to make.

The above is a lot for a not particularly fast, 5'10" fighter with a 67" reach to deal with.

 

Resume means everything. Wilder lost to everyone he met that was mediocre. Parker isn’t a great fighter. He lost all 3 fury fights but was gifted a draw. The man can’t fight. Yes it means something. Watch Ortiz 1 again. The man can’t fight.

 

Yeah this is just plain wrong, Wilder has a good jab, excellent distance control, very good timing and his right hand is very well-developed. You can’t call him unskilled because he doesn’t move his head, he is 6’7, Lewis didn’t move his head either. This guy won a bronze medal in olympics, he obviously has some level of skill.

 

RANKED HEAVYWEIGHTS.
Not men who were at one time ranked ,nor men who later got into the HOF nor men who were not heavyweights. Lavorante 16-2-2 who was very briefly ranked on the basis of one good win,over Folley,and Bivins,who also stopped Moore.2013,2015 ,2016.
Moore stopped 59 men under 170lbs most of them under 165lbs
A good third of his complete list of stoppages were over "sausages".
You said ."at least Moore knocked out proven ranked men",now you are amending that to, "men of note".

Bottom line at HEAVYWEIGHT Moore was not an all time great puncher. Just accept that and we can move on.
Resume is everything?
Look at the resumes of Cestac,Davidson,Muscato,Smith, what IYO ,makes them "men of note?" Now name the "over half of them that are in the HOF"?

 

Louis and his jab are irrelevant when talking best for best. I posted this years ago -

It's no secret Marciano improved enormously after the Louis fight, it's heavily documented. He was a crude raw wild swinging slugger. Goldman honed him into so much more. He tied his shoelaces together to greatly improve his balance, put towels under his arms to make him throw straighter tighter punches with no loss of power, greatly developed his left hook, got him punching to the body far more often, tied his right arm behind him developing the left and countless other little "tricks". They did it slowly so he wouldn't drastically change the basic way he punched, with great leverage and power. That was just the offensive changes tho some of those, by nature, helped him defensively.

 

The key to this fight isn't height, reach, power, skill etc. It's stamina.

Deontay has about 4, maybe 5 rounds to land his bomb of a right hand cleanly. If he does, it could well be over. I can certainly see him flooring Rocky. But can he keep him down?

From about round 6 onwards, Wilder slows, starts to throw increasingly sporadic and telegraphed right hands, while Rocky slowly increases the pressure. If Wilder is smart, he'll lean on Rocky, maul, tie him up to buy time and catch a breath. But I don't know if he is capable of this. Meanwhile Rocky keeps chopping away although there is always a risk his face opens up and he gets stopped due to cuts.

If it gets to the later rounds, an increasingly knackered, albeit still brave Wilder gets stopped on his feet - mainly due to him being overwhelmed by Rocky's work rate, rather than any one single punch finishing him.

Wilder could win early but more likely he is gradually ground down by Rocky for a late stoppage.

 

Marciano is way way ahead of Wilder in terms of greatness however H2H he is tailor made for Beyonce

Rocky isn't skilled enough to avoid Wilder's big right for the entire fight and just isn't big enough to push him back (Wilder can't fight on the back foot) so I'd predict a KO within 6 maybe 4 rounds

 

I honestly think that Deontay is the faster guy in there between him and rocky

 

Thats my thing people just get so hyperbolic about his level of skill, you can say that Wilder was very basic and had few skills but to say he had none whatsoever is just proveably false.

 

wilder ko's him like 95% of the time.

it's wilder so rocky has a punchers chance. but that's it.

even forgetting wilders goat power, he has like a foot reach advantage and is faster.

 

I just want to know if someone tried to make the argument that Wilder has too much reach to keep Rocky off of him.

 

The all time KO king doesn’t have power?…i mean seriously how am i supposed to argue with you? Yeah you’re right Archie Moore had no power. What was I thinking. Also your nitpicking is over the top. You know damn well men like Satterfield and Baker were continued to be ranked amongst heavies, occasionally slipping a year doesn’t mean they were less talented then they were the year before or after when they regained the ranking. Harold Johnson was a LHW primarily but would moonlight in the HW division often. They didn’t rate guys on multiple classes then otherwise he would have been ranked. The other men of note were up and coming decent fighters or formally ranked quality opposition. Something Wilder lacks on his resume greatly. Moore also had other notables in just didn’t feel like digging through his enormous KO list. On a side note he didn’t even start fighting HWs regularly till he was older and fought generally decent competition there not racking up a list of bums to KO. The better your competition the lower your KO rate will be