Mayweather claims he is greater than Ali: "With all due respect, that's how it is"

another example of Achievement based ranking or claims...

Floyd fought some lads and was undoubtedly a skilled 1st Class Boxer, though he just did not have the fights or hard fought thrills that go with them. Some will try & say that was because of his masterful ability, only partly true, but just not on the same general overall level.

you could make the same arguement for a Sweet Pea or RJJ or a Loma, for stand out finese, however Ali's time & Opponents were a consensus veiwed Top Time for HW's.

I think Ali has a better overall crop of opponents.

besides Ali isn't / wasn't the Greatest, every great or near great has to bow to SRR.

 

Is it fair to look at Rocky's 49-0 record in the same light? If Louis, Charles, Walcott, and Moore were prime his 49-0 record looks a lot better

 

Look at closely you worded that to tip toe around how Ali lost a lot of his big fights. Deplorable.

 

He's nowhere near as accomplished as Mayweather.

 

It wasn't prime Ali who lost to Frazier. Coming off a 3 year exodus/suspension.

Foreman was coming off wins over Frazier and Norton when he faced Ali. He just fought the wrong fight.

 

I didn't 'tip toe' anything, anyone who knows me, knows I don't fall or get swept up with all the supposed 'default' means of grading or rating fighters, for me it is Only H2H, Who one Fights, the time & circumstances around made fights or 'not' made, Win or Lose performances...

there are Hundreds of Great Fighters, thousands even over the 150 years of Boxing History, loads & loads of great fighters.

and Floyd Mayweather IS One of them, No Question!

 

Basically fanboy criteria created in order to reward Ali and probably Duran.

 

He can think whatever he wants.

 

I’m not looking for any debates. But I don’t see why so many people feel it’s absurd to think that a five division champion with 26 title fight wins and who never lost in the ring might actually be better than some old school greats. I never found Floyd Mayweather Jr. to be particularly exciting to watch and his public persona and image were atrocious. But none of these things erase the fact that he’s beaten about 20+ past or present champions. Or that he was ranked top 10 pound for pound for about 15 years. He’s also beaten a lot of current or future hall of famers. Hell, one of them is still active and may currently still be the best in the world

 

NO, it's real life and analyses,

placing a Tyson Fury properly, rather than in a Top 10, 25 or a 100 even with the likes of a Joe Louis, Ali, Forman, Iron Mike, Lennox Lewis and a Klit.

that is what it is, Real Ability - Proof in Numbers, Proper Opponents, Skill and Fights FOUGHT in Win or Lose in Good or Great even losing perfomances... REAL Life.

Not inflated Media, Protection or Financed based ensurance !

 

This. Never liked Mayweather but I think he's often a bit unfaiirly treated.

Yes, he never beat a great fighter at his absolute peak, but DLH and Pac were still relevant and Corrales, Castillo and Cotto were very good fighters and beating even a young Cenlo like that was very impressive. We have to remember that Floyd himself wasn't prime for all these fights. Then there were the Gatti domination and many other fights where he made contenders look like they didn't belong in the ring with him.

But often these wins are twisted inside out in absurd ways. If any shadow of a doubt can be raised that the fighters wasn't at his absolute best wins are often dismissed outright. Almost surprised that it hasn't mellowed over the years, but he is utterly dislikeable, though, Like posting a compilation of RJJ being KO'd just becquse Jones believed Leonard would have beaten him. No to mention being a woman beater.

Quite dispicable, but could possibly be top 10 p4p imo.

 

Mayweather 8-4'd the pfp best fighter other than himself at age 38. Nobody else who you listed even beat a best pfp best fighter. It really must hurt your soul.

 

Doesn't matter that's on Ali he was still in great shape and arguably the best he'd look in awhile his own fault for relying too much on his physical gifts.
Two easy matchups for a big strong puncher. Its telling the two times he fought boxers with more craft when he was young he lost both times.

 

It's his fault that boxing commissions wouldn't give him a license to to fight in the United States and his passport was taken away so he couldn't fight abroad thus prohibiting from professionally boxing for three years and seven months in what would have been his athletic prime for a convinction for draft evasion which was eventually overrurned by the Supreme Court? The only similar situation we have is Mike Tyson and he was a shell of himself when he returned. It's not as if Ali retired and decided to come back and fight for the championship.

 

P4P this accomplishments that, who cares bro Ali kills Mayweather with one punch, he is better.