Bellew believes Usyk would’ve beaten Tyson

They beat all of them and I don’t think it’d even be close. Like Tyson’s best wins were Ruddock, Bruno and Tucker. Maybe Spinks and Berbick in there as well. These people arent doing anything to those two.

 

Prime for prime Mike knocks him out.

 

exactly!! and his fanboys want him to beat someone like Spinks or Holmes, ridiculous... that's the stupidest thing about when Clay, who just almost lost to Doug Jones, said he'd smash Liston.. how?? how??

 

You think Usyk could've taken Green out of there that night? LOL

 

today's Usyk of that Green? probably yes

 

Why would anyone care what Tony Bellew thinks about anything?

 

I don't think there is any human being on earth that could've knocked Green out that night. He was on something for sure. And Usyk? Hell no. He could've won on points though like Tyson. Thus, this proves nothing about the outcome of Usyk vs Tyson.

 

You don't think it would even be close? AJ post Ruiz is no great shakes. Gun-shy and with degraded punch resistance. Dubois appears mentally fragile and his team seem a mess. I think you are overestimating both of them.

 

Ruddock is the only one I see that can possibly snatch a win and I wouldn’t favour him either. Its less that AJ and Dubois are so good and more that Tyson’s wins are, well, just not that good.

 

Tyson's wins are a mixed quality to be sure. But no way AJ or Dubois beats a lot of them.
Neither AJ or Dubois would have jumped Spinks so quickly - they are not capable, giving him time and breathing space to get into the fight and do a number over either of them. His skillset is too vast.

Fat old Holmes gives Dubious a boxing lesson and possibly AJ too, although the latter I can see going to a split decision either way. Post Tyson, Holmes demonstrated what a force he could still be.

Bruno beats them both, especially if the Bruno who manhandled ATG Lennox Lewis for a few rounds.
I give the nod to Tucker and Ruddock too. Possibly even Williams. I can see Ribalta outgritting and outlasting Dubois.

The rest are closer. Smith, Berwick, Tubbs, Thomas have arguments either way. Our perceptions of them are clouded as we saw them suffer the unique whirlwind that was prime Tyson. Outside of that, they were very capable fighters who rarely (if ever) got steamrolled and posted excellent wins themselves.

I think Biggs loses (he never looked strong enough for the pro game to me) as does Smith (unless Smith actually comes to fight in which case it could get interesting).

Certainly some Tyson opponents would fall to AJ and Dubious, but I was more focusing on his Championship reign 86-90. (Ribalta was just before, Ruddock not long after). Post prison Tyson victims are a mixed bunch and certainly some of them could be taken by AJ and Dubois.

If we are talking best-version of both AJ and Dubois, then AJ - before he lost to Ruiz - does better too, better durability and more self belief.
Dubois still rates the same though. Too fragile mentally.

 

Usyk could certainly take his power, but I'm not sure how he would cope with the speed. A prime Tyson was deceptively fast, great head and upper body movement, combinations, footwork, it was all there. Tough fight to call.

 

I cannot agree unfortunately.

Spinks would get torn apart. He couldn’t do anything when Larry decided to be aggressive and bullied him on the front-foot with his right hand, Larry was just too “old” to sustain the pace and had to revert back to boxing where Spinks shined. Dubois and AJ would just walk through Spinks and break his face early on with their punches.

Old 2-year-retired rusty Larry ain’t beating Dubois and AJ either. Even the warmed-up Larry of the 90s had troubles dealing with the physicalities of McCall and Holyfield, also spent a lot of time on the ropes which is a death sentence against such massive punchers. Either he gets flatline-KO’d or fights defensively the whole night and loses a decision.

Bruno is literally a smaller, worse version of AJ. Tucker’s early-record was highly padded and he always fought to survive in his big fights, content on dropping the decision. Ruddock could win but his defense and ring IQ are genuinely terrible. Williams got slept by anyone with a good left hook (Mike Weaver did it in two rounds) and Ribalta doing anything to both is just comical, quality-wise that guy was AT BEST Jermaine Franklin level.

Berbick lost to anyone with power, he was only really good against pure-boxers he could grind down. Thomas’ brain was friend on drugs in the second half of 80s, Smith geniunely couldn’t box and Tubbs, slick as he was, just did not have the power to stand his ground against an elite fighter with size and power that walked him down.

I dont see how anyone can watch the matches of these guys and come to the conclusion that AJ and Dubois would lose to them.

 

If a 38-year-old after a 2-year break is old and rusty, what is a 41-year-old Wlad like after a 2-year break? Yes, the one AJ fought for his life.

 

Joshua's best win, to this day, too...

 

It's hard to get rid of a guy who is only fighting to survive.