Mayweather claims he is greater than Ali: "With all due respect, that's how it is"

He isn’t top 100. Guys with laughable title reigns aren’t top 100.

 

So what you are saying is if Ali beat Joshua and Valuev a few times, instead of Frazier or Foreman, then you’d hold him in higher regard, and would begin to compare him to Mayweather ?

 

Mike destroyed this debate years ago

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Do you understand how P4P works?

 

So Benitez is not a top 100 welterweight because he only defended it once?
Duran isn’t because he never defended it?
Basilio?
Stupid argument

 

Course we do, its a method for manlet fans to cope with the fact that their favorite fighters would probably get KO’d in the first round by Mariusz Wach

 

It’s silly trying to lump guys with good title reigns in with Foreman by pinpointing their shortest reign. You knew that but went ahead and did it anyway.

Naseem Hamed ranks favorably compared to Foreman.

 

Using that argument we should only care about HW and CW in which case fair enough if that's the hill you wanna die on.

 

Apparently better than you?
Let’s look at Mayweathers pound for pound credentials then.
Lightweight? Probably his best shout, lost to Castillo, own uncle and father admit he’d lose to the best ala Duran.

Light welter? His credentials are Arturo Gatti?

Welter? He’s not top 20 here, Hatton and Ortiz are one thing.

Light middle or middle? Get serious

Ali? Goat heavyweight, almost universally recognised as such.
Maybe you think Hatton is better pound for pound than Ali for competing in different divisions? Definitely Iran Barkley…
Ali beats him ‘p4p’as well, sorry.

 

Basilio never had a title reign as such.
But that’s besides the point.

Foreman lost to the greatest ever at the weight, and he annihilated quality fighters in their prime when he did have the title.

Using length of title reign as the only criteria to be top 100 is nonsense and shows nothing of context

 

Canelo, Oscar, Pacquiao, Marquez are leagues better then anyone Ali beat skill wise its not even close. You can cope with that bring up whatever made up criteria to try and argue against it but that's just the fact of the matter. And Castillo is a much better pressure fighter then Frazier if we're talking skill and Floyd beat him twice while Ali lost to Frazier when both were at their best. But since you can't actually understand or argue skill you'll keep yapping about made up criteria and rankings instead of actually engaging with what I'm saying.

 

He annihilated two "quality" fighters one of whom was past his best the other was never good both tailor made for Foreman. When he actually faced fighters who could fight off the backfoot he looked like a fool.

 

‘Skill’ in what way are they more skilled? Just in your mind?
Castillo being a better pressure fighter than Frazier is laughable.
People like Armstrong or Duran or Charles are recognised as being among the very best in several weight classes, that’s why they’re p4p greats. ‘Skills’, you see.
Mayweather isn’t, I don’t care how many old de la hoyas he was able to squeak by.

 

Those two times that it ever happened you mean ?
I don’t say Mayweather is a bum because he was made to look average by Castillo and Maidana, nearly knocked down by a Hatton jab of all things, he just wasn’t as good as you think he was

 

Ali was not at his "best" when he lost to Joe Frazier. He was at his best and getting better in 1967 when he was banished from boxing. The laws of physiology are immutable. Athletes don't get better with the passage of time, especially when that passage comes with what would have been his or her athletic prime. Cus D' Amato said Ali could nevet recapture what he lost during his banishment. George Chuvalo who faced the pre and post banishment iterations of Ali said the former iteration of Ali said the former iteration was better. As I said ad infinitum and ad nauseum I couldn't give a rat's ass who thinks who is better. I do know Mayweather didn't have near the effect on the sport, the nation, and the world Muhammad Ali had.