Mayweather claims he is greater than Ali: "With all due respect, that's how it is"

I don’t think Ali was greater than Mayweather because of anyone else’s opinion.

 

He didn’t, he didn’t beat better fighters, he didn’t better fighters in their prime, and never showed he was the best at any one weight.

 

Whether you agree with him or not, its not like its an outrageous thing to say.

 

Appeal to authority is only a logical fallacy if the authority you're appealing to isn't an authority on the subject. If I cite Bill Gates as an authority on computer software that's a proper appeal to authority. If I cite Bill Gates on who are the greatest rock guitarists that's an improper appeal to authority and a logical fallacy. Let's not take the word of a random internet poster. Let us rely on Chat GPT:


Is my logic sound:Appeal to authority is only a logical fallacy if the authority you're appealing to isn't an authority on the subject. If I cite Bill Gates as an authority on computer software that's a proper appeal to authority. If I cite Bill Gates on who are the greatest rock guitarists that's an improper appeal to authority and a logical fallacy.

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The fallacy of appeal to authority (also known as argumentum ad verecundiam) occurs only when the authority cited is either not relevant to the topic or lacks expertise in the specific domain being discussed. So:

• ✅ Valid appeal: Citing Bill Gates on software development or tech entrepreneurship makes sense—he has deep, demonstrable expertise.
  
  
• ❌ Fallacious appeal: Citing him on ranking rock guitarists would be fallacious unless he had some hidden career as a musicologist or professional guitarist we don’t know about.

Oh, authorities can be biased, but the burden of proof is on the person making the accusation of bias, not the authority. Experts testify all the time in court. Of course they are biased, but the burden is on the interlocutor to demonstrate why their opinion is wrong.

 

Nothing crazy about it. Mayweather had a far better career, even with the cherry picking.
And I don't like Mayweather one bit. I hate his boring defensive style, and I think he's a POS human being.
But as a boxer, he's leagues above Ali.
Does that mean he's also greater ? Maybe, maybe not.
I also factor impact on the sport when I evaluate greatness, and nobody comes close to Ali in that regard.
But career wise and skill wise, it's clearly Mayweather.

 

How did he have a better career? He was skilled but several of his fights were questionable scoring, as you say even with the cherry picking.

It should take a truly great p4p guy to be greater than the no1 heavyweight.
Guys who showed they could be the best in multiple weight divisions, Charles, Jones, Duran, Robinson, Armstrong type fighters.
Mayweather never showed enough that he’d be the best in any weight division, the fact that he was very good in a number of divisions isn’t enough to be better than Ali.
What are Floyd’s best wins ?
Who were the best guys he beat without some caveat or weight stipulation or them being past their prime?
The best guy he beat was an Old de La Hoya, and barely at that.
Mayweather is closer to a Trinidad or De la Hoya himself than he is to Ali.

 

I would say Mayweather is a technically more skilled boxer than Ali, because Ali did a lot of things wrong that he could get away with against slower heavyweights. But Ali tested himself and never ducked anyone. Floyd never fought an elite level fighter at their best. His entire career is smoke and mirrors. Not to mention all the fighters he ducked.

A lot of variables must be considered when measuring greatness.

 

”real fighters like Usyk” oh come now Mayweather was a fighter down to his marrow, he’d been boxing since he was in the cot, you don’t like him but he’s a great fighter end of.

 

Oh come off it, Frazier was washed up and shot by the 2nd fight he’d been steam rolled by Foreman and it’d been 3 years since he and Ali last met… look at his body of work when he got the title after the FOTC the writing was on the walls for JF and his management knew it… in 72 it was Stander and Daniel’s he was holding out for Ali 2, look at his weight for those fights and the Foreman bout you can see how much he regarded GF (which is fair enough all he’d done is beat Chuvalo and Peralta at the time…) then he fought Bugner…. BUGNER and after the third fight both guys should’ve retired for good.

 

I grew up hearing Ali was the GOAT, I unlike the people of the time had access to videos of Louis, Tyson, Holmes and Lennox etc and should’ve realised it was BS. I saw a very tough guy who was a one trick pony that got hit a lot but I assumed I was wrong, I must’ve been everyone else is saying he’s the best thing since sliced bread lol. weird how he is known for being both extremely elusive and has a reputation for a granite chin?

 

Let's not denigrate Joe and sink to the level of our adversaries. IMHO he's the greatest pressure fighter to have ever lived. He's a tough out for any fighter not named George Foreman. I prefer to remember the Joe who in the immediate aftermath of their epic battle in Manila said of Muhammad Ali, "Lawdy, Lawdy, I hit him with punches that would bring down the walls of buildings. He's a great champion."

 

His defense is overrated he got hit a lot even at his best. Though I will say his offense is a bit underrated at least when his opponents were standing in front of him

 

I would say this is a bit harsh. Ali definitely wouldn't have got as far as he did being a one trick pony.

But definitely boxing fans have a tendency to look at things with rose tinted glasses with past fighters.

 

It’s an exaggeration but he was limited in how he fought. Harsh? Harsh is saying he beats every HW to put on gloves despite everything on film to suggest otherwise.

 

I would agree if you are saying Ali could beat any heavyweight in history easily that also looking at things with some rose tinted specs.

H2H matches and time travel fights across era's are ultimately something which is just fun speculation. Like maybe Ali would beat Uysk or Fury but like also maybe not at the same time.