Fighters that get too much criticism?

That’s basically true, without Ali he’s the guy who “beat” Young and losses to Garcia, Shavers and Foreman.

 

Kind of proves styles make fights. He went fifty four rounds with Ali and Holmes and only backed up once or twice in all of them.

 

That "188lbs man" was a noted puncher & Norton beat him in a toe-to-toe rematch. Quarry was a puncher & had scored some of the most explosive KOs of his career over the past couple years. Ali hit hard enough to become the only fighter ever to stop/KO Foreman & Bonevena (among numerous other elite opponents), & Holmes went on to tie the record for most consecutive KOs in hw title defenses.

 

The irony

 

Marciano by far.
For some reason also a lot of Foreman, Dempsey and Jack Johnson hate.

 

Eusebio Pedroza - The guy is one of the greats and may well have pipped Sanchez peak for peak if they fought. His assets were many and his weaknesses almost non existent. Great fighter.

Azumah Nelson - This guy always gets understated on the whole. IMO he'd beat his share of fighters who get more acclaim than him. He had one loss in his first decade, as a 13 fight novice where he took Salvador Sanchez far deeper than he'd ever been taken before. As a 9-5 underdog he gave Wilfredo Gomez his second only loss, and on his home turf to boot. Gomez was on the way down but it was still one helluva win. He was 36-2-1 going in against Jesse James Leija. He'd lost only to Sanchez and Whitaker and drew with Fenech. He was whooped by Fenech in reality but won the rematch. The man defended his 126 pound title 6 times, moved up, then defended that title 10 times bearing mind he got draws against Leija and Fenech. Most people were impressed by his effort against Whitaker as well. One of the greats for mine.

 

A very late rematch with Garcia… and Ali’s style is why he didn’t KO Norton, Bonavena and Foreman were not “KO’s” one was a series of sucker punches at the end of a long fight, the other was another dead tired guy getting stopped because he was running on fumes.

 

@swagdelfadeel @Pugguy @Eddie Ezzard @Man_Machine @mcvey @MarkusFlorez99 every goddamn ****ing thread, even polar opposites

 

“Look guys people with different boxing opinions!”

 

Guys like Ron Stander/Terry Daniels and Jose Roman seem to be not only discredited as being fringe contenders at the time they got their title shots, unwarranted or not, but as not even being credible main event fighters of any worth altogether. Like they were 4 round prelim boys that wandered into the ring that night by accident.

 

Where’s the sucker punch?

I see an ATG left hook with irrefutable heat on it. An absolute cracker in its own right.

The preceding shorter hook was also a nice set up for same.

That one punch/KD brought Ringo completely undone - the follow up was just a formality.

Ali did breach in trying to get back at Ringo asap but it made no difference, Oscar was goneski any which way.

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Oh **** off

"Opinions" aren't endless obsessions, doe

 

The stylistic advantage angle gets so overblown.

Ali and Holmes weren’t so similar as for that explanation to hold sufficient water.

Norton also had other creditable wins - including that over Jimmy Young, a stylistically different fighter again.

Norton wisely concentrated on the body and clearly outworked Young IMO - notwithstanding Young being the perennial whinger and self advertised victim of being robbed.

Young could make any opponent appear awkward - at times - but, notable “at times” successes, don’t win whole fights.

 

I am not a member of any cliques. That’s why those who really know me call me Lone Wolf McPug.

 

Quarry might’ve been past his best but Norton still did a huge number on him.

We can see that for ourselves.

What we can’t see is Quarry’s rumoured domination of Norton in sparring - a claim that gets far more mileage than is warranted.

As to Quarry being past it…no chance that poor Old Kenny was past it when he faced Shavers and later Cooney?

At the very least, even standards should be applied.