Douglas wasn't a diamond in rough, Tyson always had problems with that style.

Buster did nothing before the Tyson fight and nothing after,he just got Tyson at the right time ! Tyson was never the same fighter after he sacked Rooney and the writing was on the wall so to speak,I think Rooney even called it just like when Hamed left Ingle and Ingle stated “four more fights and he finished”,In Tysons case that loss came in the third fight after the split . Tyson went from a highly skilled brawler to a head hunting thug trying to win fights on intimidation and the brute force approach ! Buster was waiting there for him and the rest is there for everyone to see,the biggest Boxing upset in History !!

 

That's crazy talk. Buster always had potential but never fully unlocked it. Before Tyson he was on a 7 fight winning streak beating, among others, Berbick & McCall - former and future title holders. He wasn't rated Top 10 for nothing. Before that he was winning the Tucker fight until he gassed out. That was his problem - lack of conditioning due to the lack of discipline. Even before that he had some nice wins over Cobb and Page.

 

It was 6 fights going into the Tyson fight after Tucker had stopped him. Those 6 were Long Davis Halstead Williams Berbick Mcall,hardly names at the time that let anybody ever think that Buster was going to beat Tyson. Buster also had 3 stoppage losses on his slate going into the Tyson fight hence the massive odds for a Tyson win with Buster going into the fight as 42-1 underdog iirc. But Buster won and proved everybody wrong,then in his very next fight he reverted back to type and was destroyed by Holyfield in 3 rounds in a very poor showing . Like I said Buster showed nothing before or after the Tyson fight that anybody thought he would have pulled off the upset,still to this day known as the biggest upset in Boxing history and one of the biggest upsets in Sports history.

 

I agree his style would always cause problems. But would the Douglas that lost to Holyfield and Tucker beat Tyson? I don’t think so.

 

Was it McCall or Greg Page? Point taken regardless

 

You are right. It was Greg Page.

 

This is just not true.

But no matter how times people show people the facts they always got back to the fairytale.

Douglas only loss being to Tucker over a 5 year period and beating Page, Berbick and McCall easily is not "doing nothing". He had consistancy issues though because people see a 4 in the loss column.

Tyson wasn't finished he went 14-3 over the next 13 years and 13 KOs at the top level. After this he went to prison 5 years which is an actual legitimite excuse for falling off a cliff and when he came back he was still fine. But no it was him firing Rooney. He was doomed. Normally when claiming a fighter fell of a cliff theres actually evidence he fell off a cliff.

 

How did Busters run before fighting Tyson compare to his other challengers? Biggs, Tubbs, Bruno, Carl Williams? Thats an amazing run for a non champion.

Brunos odds were 10x better than Douglas. Its hard to look at their resumes going into their fights with Tyson and say thats rational.

 

Who did Douglas have in his training camp for sparring going into the Tyson fight? I've never seen any discussion of this before.

 

Page was crap. Tyson demolished berbick in 2 rounds at 20 years old and oliver mcall had only had 14 fights against pretty much no hopers at the point douglas beat him.

Douglas also lost to jesse ferguson who tyson battered in 6 rounds at 18 years old as well as losing to others that werent at a great level.

The facts actually point to the truth. Tyson stopped training properly. Started living like a bad amatuer and paid the price for it. You cant really take the credit from douglas and take the blame away from tyson. But the evidence pretty much completely points to that being the case. Douglas got tyson on the right night. Tyson was lethargic from the first bell that night. He,d battered guys that beat buster back when he was 18. Busters record and tysons record previously pretty much tells us tyson was on the slide through not training and coming in ill prepared rather than it being a style issue or anything else.

Its pretty much as clear a cut case there is. Buster showed nothing in his career that he,d beat tyson and tyson showed nothing up to the point of leaving rooney that douglas would beat him.

Essentially Douglas to his credit came in prepared and tyson didnt and he paid the price for it.

The tyson story is pretty much an easy one. He trained relentlessly to become the heavyweight champion basically training as a pro from 14. No one could compete with him....and then he went off the rails through not training properly and living like a bad amatuer and it ended up catching up with him in the end.

 

Tyson KO 1. See Holyfield fight.

 

I’m sorry, did Tyson not land one giant right uppercut and Douglas got up at like the count of nine? Did I not remember that sequence correctly?

 

no one is making excuses for Tyson, but let’s be real, if Tyson was motivated and focused, he beats Douglas.

 

Page was not crap. Page was exceptional fighter.

Buster Douglas was a point fighter. Hes not the type to KO an opponent in a few rounds if Douglas won a fight easily he was going to win a lopsided decision which he did. Saying oh Tyson demolished Berbick in 2 yeah thats what Tyson did beat opponents early.

5 years earlier. In a MD. When Ferguson was undefeated and Douglas had just turned 25. Yeah Tyson might be washed at 25 but for normal non prodigys thats really young. Ferguson while a fringe contender was a contender and this was the best version of him(Tyson also fought a similar version).

Tyson at all stages of his career was not prepared to dig himself out of a hole. He was simply too heavy to contest a full fight if he wasn't coasting. And the Douglas fight was actually the only in fight comeback of his career. He responded to the situation as well as he could have. He almost won.

 

Douglas at 100% was always a style nightmare, but Tyson also didn't train and took him lightly. I think motivated Tyson could have beaten him but would have been tough. Douglas fought amazingly that night, the jab and right hands, were a thing of beauty.