Gene Tunney with Ali’s physical attributes vs. Foreman, Frazier, Liston, Norton, etc

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  1. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    How would a 6’3, 206-215 pound Gene Tunney with a 78-80 inch wingspan do against the best of Ali’s resume? He still retains his own skills, speed, style and boxing IQ in this scenario. Would anything in Ali’s career change?
     
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  2. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    inb4 the power rangers come to talk **** about Foreman and Norton
     
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  3. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He beats Liston and Foreman without too much issues way too skilled and crafty for either of them and neither was great against good movers or boxers. Norton would be more competitive but I feel like without the flaws that Ali had Norton wouldn't be able to win so Tunney wins a clear if competitive decision. Frazier would be the toughest matchup but Tunney did beat Greb and he doesn't have Ali's inability to defend a left hook so he might win but I'll still go Frazier here. So overall he goes 3-1
     
  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Does he still have Tunney's aversion to sharing the ring with a certain sort of opponent?
     
  5. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Would Gene even cope if he woke up one morning to look in the mirror (ala time travelling Sam Beckett) and find that he possessed ALL of Ali’s physical attributes?

    I think he’d be looking to leap ASAP.
     
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  6. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 MONZON VS HAGLER 2025 banned Full Member

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    He kills all of them basically, you’re asking if someone who should be heralded as one of the smartest boxers of all time who beat arguably the GOAT could defeat these dummies? “Let the bull have the strength” the matador prevails against stupid cattle.
     
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  7. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 MONZON VS HAGLER 2025 banned Full Member

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    Norton is as dumb as a livestock animal next to Tunney… he butchers him, Ali, Frazier, Foreman and Liston would have as good a shot as the bull in the Spanish pits it’d be a one sided whipping on all fronts.
     
  8. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 MONZON VS HAGLER 2025 banned Full Member

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    Cherry picker? Oh I had no idea challenging the outstanding contender with the biggest purse he was ever offered at the time (or ever was?) was cherry picking. Willis was a bad business man, that was his chance the game was rigid against him and he should’ve played his hand it was win-win vs Tunney IMO.
     
  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Making your heavyweight hay on beating lightheavy Tommy Gibbons in his final fight, lightheavy Carpentier in what was his last, serious fight, and then a completely cum-drained Dempsey in ten rounds on a rain soaked canvas isn't exactly taking the hard road to the title.
     
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  10. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 MONZON VS HAGLER 2025 banned Full Member

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    Didn’t say it was Mr Tunney tried to fight guys like Wills but they ducked him.
     
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  11. Spreadeagle

    Spreadeagle Active Member Full Member

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    Yo
    You dismiss all these ATGs as '' dummies ''.Good grief.Usually your posts are awful,but you
    really are sinking low here.
     
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  12. Spreadeagle

    Spreadeagle Active Member Full Member

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    So according to you Ali would be a mere bull compared to Tunney's matador ? Mate,seriously,have you ever watched any fights featuring Ali,Frazier,Foreman and Liston ?
    Serious question.
     
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  13. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 MONZON VS HAGLER 2025 banned Full Member

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    If Tunneys the same size they’ve got the same chance as a livestock animal in the Spaniards blood pits yes.
     
  14. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 MONZON VS HAGLER 2025 banned Full Member

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    Dummies compared to Tunney yes, Tunney would be a dummy compared to Benny Leonard probably… it’s not that serious brother.
     
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  15. Spreadeagle

    Spreadeagle Active Member Full Member

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    Of course not mate,it is after all merely an exchange of opinions.However, your routine dismissal
    of the 60s/70s ATGs does seem to be somewhat obsessive.
     
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