Gene Tunney with Ali’s physical attributes vs. Foreman, Frazier, Liston, Norton, etc

The original point was Tunney tried to make tough fights before Dempsey, a fight with the outstanding contender in fact… but Harry got wet feet against someone who “bounced a few hasbeens” that’s a FACT Mr.

 

Seriously, why is this individual permitted to antagonize posters—despite clear instructions not to contact him—without any repercussions?

 

Now “Antagonise” is a strong word for a light hearted jab compared to your own hypocritical behaviour if you’re trying to play moral pillar. I said the same thing to @Seamus someone I chat with on friendly terms regularly, you’re also ignoring the self-deprecation on my end and playing it up like usual - go back to pretending to put me on “ignore” and just post about boxing like everyone else instead of letting some weird forum vendetta consume you like Mendoza.

 

Let me explain it to you like you're 5 years old.

Tunney needed Wills. Wills did not need Tunney.

 

Let me explain this to you like you’re a witty 4 year old… Tunney TRIED to seek out harder fights, they turned him down, that was your criticism of Gene that he only beat soft opposition at HW as a contender correct - BUT GT tried to make the fight with the leading contender and offered him the biggest purse of his life, he didn’t duck anybody to my best knowledge.

 

With respect I disagree mate.I've just had another look at that knockdown and there was a look
of utter shock and confusion on Tunney's face.
Respect to Tunney for eventually recovering from that knockdown but had Dempsey not forgotten the
new '' neutral corner '' rule it is more than likely Gene would have been counted out.

 

For what it's worth, Tunney always maintained that he could've gotten up but without those few extra seconds, he wasn't sure whether he would've been able to survive Dempsey's follow-up attack.

 

Fair enough Swag.It's a good point.Those extra few seconds had to have helped Tunney,even he did succeed in
beating the count.

 

When a count becomes “long” for whatever reasons, legit or not, there can be a lot of guesswork involved in claiming the recipient of the count could’ve arisen or not by the time of an otherwise reasonably applied 10 secs or so.

The downed fighter has every right to stay down for as long as he can, making full use of the actual count he is afforded so his arising after an actual 10 secs doesn’t necessarily suggest he wouldn’t have been able to arise earlier if necessary.

Nothing wrong with guessing though - Gene looked pretty ****ed up to me so I’m not sure he could’ve arisen by an actual 10 secs or so - and if he could’ve, he might’ve been that much worse off in the face of Dempsey’s follow up.

So credit to Gene for his honest answer in so far as stating that, while he could’ve arisen earlier, he didn’t know whether he’d still survive as he did - thereby attesting to and illustrating the crucial value he gained from the extra seconds he did receive.