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Foreman was undisputed ?

 

That's correct. Although, Foreman didn't necessarily need to unify since he won the lineal championship right off the bat from an All Time Great, in Frazier - and then, only 20 years after losing the title to the Greatest of All Time, won the lineal championship (and unified titles) again.

Something else that Foreman did "zero times" was get sparked out by unrated opponents. He didn't even do that once, let alone three times.

 

But he did lose to Uncle Jimmy Young and see Jesus… didn’t quite have the heart Wlad did as a young man.

 

Is that honestly your sharpest comeback?

The idea that Foreman losing a 12-round decision to a rated contender is somehow comparable to Wlad getting starched by three unknowns he made famous is a source of much mirth to me.


Please, continue...

 

So basically Foreman gets a pass on his losses but Wlad doesn't despite never losing at his best while Foreman lost twice and was never the best in either era he fought in. Interesting logic but I guess its the only way you can justify this asinine position

 

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Huh? Wlad lost to some dangerous fighters but evidently they were lessons and WK through his grit and machismo became 2nd only to Louis with his reign and that’s just outstanding stuff… Foreman did not sadly possess the same determination and wilfulness of Klitschko it’s also unfortunate Jimmy Young broke his spirit before we’d have seen Foreman in the 80s, if GF hadn’t been so sad, depressed, mentally fried etc we’d have been able to close the book on him fighting guys his equal or greater in physicality… the Lyle bout is all we’ve really got and it’s either damming or “tainted” in many fans eyes.

 

Dangerous, because they beat Wlad - of course, of course.

No one disputes Wlad's longevity. It is the most obvious part of his case for an all-time rating. But, "evidently", so are the stoppage losses (that you call "lessons") to three unrated fighters.

Foreman's so-called broken spirit found its way back into the ring, twenty years later at 45 years of age, and reclaimed the lineal heavyweight championship.

The above is just a glimpse of the alternative history you obsess about.

Your appeal to "many fans" isn't evidence - more just a whimsical aspiration. The reality is the Lyle fight is remembered as a classic. A raw and crude slugfest, for sure, but not a "tainted" black mark.

And, let's be honest here - it's just not the kind of fight Wlad could ever have survived (as observed).

 

This may may come as a surprise to you, but it's actually more difficult to unify individual belts like Tyson, Wlad, and Lewis (three of the top five heavyweights) than it is to win them all against Michael Moorer after a third undeserved title shot in four years.

Foreman was all about being a changed man, at least publicly. I think Wlad's 22 straight wins, 19 of which were in title fights, makes him better qualified for that role than George.

 

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Foreman's divorced wives taking over the thread again, damn the guy was on a roll in the 70s.

 

How is 18 title defenses, second longest reign in HW history anywhere close to 3 good wins?

 

Foreman has some arguments on his side but Wlad's reign was just too dominant and too long he should get the nod IMO.