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Nah, I don't see it, MM.

Whilst also clearly outmatched, at least Byrd exhibited some skill.

 

Promotion of Wlad's undercover GOAT status I see

 

Where there's a will there's a way

 

I class modern fighters from 1990s onwards but if you have a tighter definition maybe not Lennox and Oscar who still last fought 21 and 17 years ago but I would still class them.

 

And it's a valid argument, but I don't necessarily agree with it. Wladmir was a world champion when he was humiliated by Purity, a guy who had 13 losses at the time and retired with 20 losses. People will excuse this, but then they'll turn around and say a green Liston with less than 10 fights losing to Marshall or Foreman losing to Young is the end of the world and destroys their credibility.

Let me repeat: I am not saying Wladmir is defined by this loss, but you absolutely cannot gloss over it and then tear apart another boxer's resume for losing to not-so-great fighters. It's hypocritical. I look at the whole picture: the good, the great, the bad, and the ugly when evaluating a resume. That means I'm both looking at Wladmir impressive number of titles defenses while also examining his losses to guys like Purity and Brewster. Imagine that...!

 

Show me where I say 70s fighters suck, I even have Ali, Frazier and Foreman in my top ten

 

I completely agree the losses can't be completely ignored. I look at a fighter's whole career.

 

Show me your top ten and I’ll show you a slight adjustment.

 

Yes - Round-one looked optimistic (ish)

Poor old Mormeck - What was he doing?

 

You want a funny story I was at that fight and my friend, brother and I all brought executioner hoods to wear to support Hopkins in Atlantic City, anyway we were mistaken by the police who thought we were looking to hold up a liquor store because we had them on outside the venue. It led to a lot of explaining and many disgruntled officers lol.

 

How is either of those things dishonest?

If I don't think that Klitschko ever dispelled the doubts created by his three early losses, then that's an honest opinion. It might be difficult to support, especially in the eyes of someone who believes otherwise, but that doesn't mean that it's a lie. I think it's harsh to say that Foreman had only three good wins, but that doesn't make it an objectively wrong statement.

It is possible to hold opinions so bizarre that they're the equivalent of being dishonest. Even if I genuinely believed that Muhammad Ali had no good wins, then my definition of a good win would be so far removed from everyone else's that there'd be no sense in using it in discussion with other people. Knocks on Foreman and Klitschko aren't THAT crazy. Foreman's record is very top-heavy. Klitschko has some of the worst losses of any heavyweight who's generally recognized as great. They overcame these shortcomings in the eyes of the public, and they did so in drastically different ways. Doesn't mean that everyone has to buy in, though.

 

You should have held up the liquor store rather than disappoint all those poor cops.

 

1. Louis
2. Ali
3. Wlad
4. Lewis
5. Holmes
6. Tyson
7. Holyfield
8. Usyk
9. Frazier
10. Foreman
Number 3 and 5 I always change my mind about feel free to make your "adjustments"

 

He'll just remove Foreman don't worry.

 

No thanks I didn't want to get shot lol. It was actually quite the scene. I was pressed up on a car and we all had to empty our pockets. It was our own stupid fault, we jumped out of our car with the masks on, two were like ku klux klan hoods with a pointed top but totally in black that were old Halloween costumes from over 40 years ago and my friend came with a black fencing mask. The cops had no idea that Bernard Hopkins nickname was the executioner and we should of realized that as big a fight as it was at the time, it's not the same as a football match where you see a lot of characters dressed up for games. I felt like an idiot explaining to them that, we were there for a boxing match and that one fighter's nickname is the exectioner, lol, it just felt so foolish at the time telling them this. Looking back it Was the best part of the evening. Although Hopkins won and dominated their was very little excitement to the match.