George Chuvalo Versus Rocky Marciano

The only thing Layne had going for him was toughness. He was physically weak, had crappy defense, no twitch, no wiggle. At least George was strong and the basics of a defense.

 

I know you hate Layne because he lost to an Italian but he was good enough to beat a lot better fighters then George had beaten. There are levels to the game. George ain’t about it.

 

If Layne had come along in the 60's/70's we wouldn't even know his name.

 

You would like to think so but he beat men like Satterfield who would go on to beat Cleveland Williams. He was well past it when he went toe to toe with Baker who beat Chuvalo. A prime Layne wins that match easy. He beat Walcott, Charles, Turkey Thompson Satterfield. You act like it was so far apart. Literally the next decade. Your hate for Marciano clouds your judgment on all things of the era. Layne was the 50s Lyle. Good chin good right limited boxing skills. But he was better than Chuvalo.

 

It was not a slip for sure so wonder what it was, and if fight with George Foreman continued Chuvalo would kiss the floor too.

 

Rocky by decision in a brutal slug fest.

 

After WW 2 black fighters were able to be fully developed as they had a chance to fight for the title. It took a while to get a generation developed from a young age. You passed thru a period of old fighters who didn’t have the opportunity when they would have been in their primes but in the Fifties when they did get the opportunity they were better then who was around. Those guys were Archie Moore Walcott and Charles. By the late fifties you had that first generation Sonny Liston Floyd Patterson Cleveland Big Cat Eddie Machen Zora Folley Ernie Terrel Doug Jones Bob Foster. Put them as good as they were in the early fifties and there would have been no championship for Charles Walcott and Marciano.
That’s the generation Chuvalo had to fight. The George that KO d Jerry Quarry though was part luck was 218 pounds of iron. He hit like a mule and could take punishment like a steel girder. Marciano would have been out weighed by a guy 2 inches taller much longer reach and just as tough and conditioned as him by 30 lbs of solid muscle. Would be difficult to figure how he beats George.

 

I’m Italian I love Marciano and admire what he accomplished but you have to wake up and open your eyes he was from a different era. The size and conditioning evolved. In the fifties we had the slide rule now we have calculators with more power then the computers on the Apollo rocket that landed on the moon. Name the last 184 1/2 pounder that was even rated in the top 20 of the heavyweight division.

 

PREACH! PREACH!

 

I'll save all the Marcianistas the calories of keyboard strokes...

"Marciano would be a solid 225 lbs today."

 

Don’t be a fool. Modern workout routines are the only thing that allows men to get to the weights now that they’re at. Rocky on Juice is Tyson or Holyfield. But to answer your question Roy Jones Jr, Holyfield, Moorer, Byrd, Usyk, James Toney, and several more were fighters who found success at HW that were under 200. Don’t confuse juiced up nobody’s with no skill to Marciano. Now please adults are talking. Marciano was literally fighting a few years before Chuvalo

 

You can’t talk about what somebody would have been if they just did this or that. That just making the person into whatever you want. Maybe if Rocky took steroids he’d be 6 3 and 230 lbs. Let’s add some poly metrics training and make him run a 4.5 40 oh wow he could be NFL linebacker forget boxing. When you compare fighters you can only say give me the Frazier of the first Ali fight and the Joe Louis of the second Abe Simon fight and who wins. That’s fantasy enough the rest is just you letting the nostalgia cloud your thinking. As far as they only faught a few years apart reread my post. There was a huge surge in talent in all major sports from the early fifties to the early sixties. We went from Phil Rizzuto to Roberto Clemente and Willie Mays. If you don’t see it you’re just living in a fantasy world.

 

Good that’s at least a first step your admitting that Marciano as he was could not have competed as we are saying. You think he needs to gain 40 lbs of muscle to compete. OK moving to reality that’s great.

 

Mike Tyson was 200 pounds at age 13. He was a balanced, big jointed, large dude in a compact package filled with fast-twitch fiber, not a bumbling, bird-chested, large hipped, barrel legged plodder with out a twitch in his system.

Maricano as Holyfield? So, he would grown 3 1/2" (or more, let's be frank) inches and gain 9 inches of reach?

@Steve Fero... welcome to the World of the Marcianista.

 

Rocky’s walk around weight was 210+ don’t be your usual self. Also Evander was lifted at 5”11 177 for his first few fights amazing what roids does.

“fast twitched” def not your wit.