Darren Till vs. Luke Rockhold & Nathaniel Bustamante vs. Tony Ferguson - Round by Round.

You know what I would not mind seeing that fight tbh .

 

I dont think Till is on anything, if being honest. He is known for being a hard worker, and always has been, but visually his physical condition has only gotten worse and worse.

And IMO, his stamina is pretty bad these days too. But even at 170lb in the UFC he could work hard for 15 solid minutes. And he was killing himself to make 170. Later on he started showing stamina issues at 185, and these issues have carried over into boxing.

Also, he might have looked like a big puncher tonight, but hes really not. This show of power was due to Rockhold having fine china for a chin.
Till did manage to break down Anthony Taylor, but at 5′ 7 Taylor had no business fighting at Cruiserweight. And then Till failed to stop a fellow UFC reject in Darren Stewart, despite knocking him down twice. Mind you, Stewart had been stopped in MMA twice in since 2021.
The Stewart fight was also where Till showed his poor stamina again.

 

I hope it never happens, he doesn’t deserve the pay day, he needs phasing out of the sport not putting him in the spotlight, the day these mma fighters make a successful crossover in to boxing is the day these MMA fighters soul of the sport dies, we don’t need these clowns in the sport, maybe im being cynical it’s a personality trait I have but I didn’t buy his attempt at being sincere about his opponent.
Joshua put mma back in its place when he knocked out Ngannou, that door was firmly closed, let’s not let it get opened again.
I’d rather see froch v ward or some other retired champion boxer, the be a tool for a tool like till to build a rep on.

 

Your probably in a better position than me to judge it bearing in mind i dont know that much about darren till.

Still feel like a 48 year old froch would be a mismatch against a 32 year old ex ufc fighter attempting to be a boxer at 30. Yet i suspect till would beat him.

I think younger guys using peds are skewing results to the point people now believe its normal to see younger guys that are essentially novice boxers beating up ex boxing champions or ex contenders. Same with influencers beating up guys that we,re ex ufc champions etc.

An ex world champion boxer should always beat a ufc fighter trying to be a boxer even at 48.

Too much know how. Too much experience. Spent too many hours training boxing most from extremely young ages.

Its the power/strength of the younger man thats beating that know how/experience. Normal strength even a hard working ex ufc pro wouldnt make up the shortfall of the skill level know how experience imo.

 

El Cucuy is back! Sad to see what’s happening with Rockhold, once upon a time he was a monster in the UFC and ended Weidmans reign.

 

If know how and experience was all that mattered in sports people wouldnt retire in their 30s. Reflexes, durability and cardio all take a hit as you age, and eventually skills arent enough to offset that.

Not saying Froch definitely loses to Till, but its not really a risk worth taking.

 

Lucas Browne and Dillian Whyte are ex-MMA fighters.

 

So...two guys that never obtained a legit world title?

(and no, the WBC interim and WBA regular don't count)

 

So you wouldnt say that holding titles ("legit" or not) and being ranked in the top 10 of your division qualifies as "making it" in boxing?

 

Sure. I just thought it was funny to cite them as examples of success when they fell short of real championships.

Also, in Browne's case his boxing career was already underway before he debuted in MMA.

As for Whyte, he originally came from kickboxing - had a 20-1 record in K1 before dabbling very briefly in MMA (one fight before he changed his mind and switched to amateur boxing)

 

Well they're the two most prominent examples since the criteria was "making it". Basically, its already happened to a degree.

I think some boxing fans just have an inherent disdain for MMA hence all the "we dont want them coming over" etc etc stuff, not realising that some of the boxers they know actually competed in it, and obviously many more in kickboxing especially back in the day.

Its also not really MMAs fault that they keep coming over either, along with the Youtubers, strongmen,, reality tv stars and long retired boxers. Boxing has opened itself up to this for some reason, I wish it would stop too but cant hate on these washed up guys looking for a nice payday.

 

I’m referring to active MMA fighters who have a following in MMA. I didn’t make that clear

 

And both been done for peds.

 

Everyone is on PEDs.

 

Ngannou probably could have been a solid HW if he had come up slower, Gane as well. Depends on the criteria for "making it" I guess. Browne and Whyte were nowhere near their level athletically.

It is what it is man. I dont like this crossover BS either (and lets face it, its not really "crossover" anyway because its all one way) but cant really blame the MMA guys for taking these paydays. Its a shame boxing is allowing itself to play host to it though, and especially that guys like Fury and AJ are jumping on it when they're supposed to be actual elite active boxers and still havent fought each other.